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Jeff with what should have been Kevin's barbel. Jeff with what should have been Kevin's barbel.

Having spent more than 12 years now trying to work out how to fish a weirpool, Jeff gives his best advice, for all it’s worth.


It was our member, Deanos – that effervescent, jovial, pie-eating darling pin-up of the Castleford Ladies Bingo Association, who raised a serious question the other day on the forums – how do you fish a weirpool? Most unlike him …..

It sounds like a very simple question that only requires a few words to respond with, but to reply with  “Suck it and see.” would seem a little curt so here I have put together the sum of all my wisdom (???) of 12 years of fishing the Marlow weir. N.B. this is a private stretch, by the way, so don’t just go along trying it, please.

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Just take a look at our weirpool in full, Marlow has one of the longest weirs (all in one length and over 100 metres) on the Thames. Looks nice and peaceful, but it does have a changing mood and in winter (summer too in recent years) can be a raging torrent. Consequently the fishing is very unpredictable and that’s not only me saying that, but anglers with vastly more experience and talent than I will ever have.

What you must first do is examine the pattern of currents and flows. In the diagrams below, the red arrows mark out the current and general flow, the larger the arrow, the stronger the flow. The green line is our concrete bank. You can see that in a flood things change dramatically and where you could be fishing an upstream method one week, after a more rain, casting to the same place would mean you were fishing downstream even though you still cast up the river, if that makes sense.

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Here you see left, the normal summer flows, and right, the typical flows of floods and winter.

It’s at these times when I look for the creases in between the flows where two currents meet. It was on such a day when fishing with Kevin Perkins that I landed the fish in the headline shot. A fluke and one that Kevin will never forgive me for, I’m sure, as he swears it was out of his swim, or I put him in the wrong swim and fished the best one for myself. The truth is, it’s so unpredictable anyone anywhere along that length could have caught that fish that day, it just happens there was only two of us and I did it. He’s always welcome to try again though.

100325ca_7_149795785.jpgAs did Colin (McMad) McHardy on one summers day when he fished to the edge of the weir spillage, if I can call it that. It’s where the flow starts off, but there’s a slack on the nearside. He hooked into a fish and had great fun on his Daiwa Avon Specialist 1¼lbs rod, but when he landed her, it was our dear old friend ‘Topper’ named so because the top of her tail was missing. We were beginning to think she was a regular up in the weir, but I have never seen her since.

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A couple of years later and Connor, my step-grandson, caught a 9lbs 7ozs fish from the tail of the spillage, almost 10 yards further downstream from Mc Mad’s capture. This is also a popular spot that many of the visiting anglers aim for. Mind you, Barry Horwood, another of our members, casts right across the tail very often and fishes what he says is a hole on the other side, but I’ve seen him catch and blank there and often he’ll then switch to fishing right under the sill.

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Connor's barbel at 9lbs 7ozs caught 15th July 2005

There’s simply no hard and fast rules, they’re enchanting places that make you think really hard about what you’re doing, you might strike lucky, but more often in ours, you can wind up extremely disappointed. So, another job to do before casting a line in anger, is to try and establish depths. You’ve all seen those lovely drawings in the weeklies showing a fish picking up a bait off the flat bottom, which is nice and clean with some little strands of weed here and there.

 

Frank in his favoured swim just off the main weir

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. If our weir was drained and dried up, the landscape would look like a relief map of the Rocky Mountains complete with forests. In the middle by the sluice gates the depths can vary in just a few metres from 6 to 30 feet deep and 9 feet deep to 24 feet deep, and so it goes on. You can sometimes see the effect of this when the gates are fully opened, the surface of the water is referred to as the Dragon’s Tongue. It’s where the incline on the bottom throws the water into the air and down again ready for the next incline, rather like a big dipper.

Sluice gates and the wash known as Dragon's Tongue

You have to know where the weir bed rises and where it falls off into the depths along with any sudden holes along the way. In a constant heavy current it only takes a slight rift or a bit of weed to give cover behind it, and a fish can sit there all day and never move a fin, so to speak. These are the places you might like to bait up.

I also believe that our barbel, in summer, make their way up the stream of faster water working their way from side to side searching out every last bit of free offerings you’ve laid down. Barbel aren’t so bothered by any fast flows, in fact once caught, ours just get their heads down and shoot off upstream undeterred by the flow. It’s where my loose feed goes and my hookbait, right into a hole within the faster stream of water.

Not that it does me a lot of good at times. As I said in my post on the thread, you have to expect disappointments and lots of them. If you find the fish one day, you can bet your last pound they’ll have shifted the next. I’ve (and all the other regulars) been wondering where the barbel have gone to since the 2007 summer floods and Roger Wyndham-Barnes (who operates a guiding service with his boat) reckons they’re now well downstream. I'm going down there with my boat this summer.

A lazy, hazy summer's flow - purfick!

 

You would think, though, that with all that fresh highly oxygenated water coming off the weir that you’d be able to walk across it on the backs of fish, especially as I say, in summer. In fact, one late evening that thought was mulling over in my mind when Frank came up to see how I was getting along. I was fishing right in the weir spillage and I asked him “How many barbel would you reckon there might be in here right now?”

The last word had barely left my mouth when, coincidentally, I had a bite and struck into a reasonable barbel. It took him no time at all to answer “Well there’s one for certain.” I wish it were like that more often, but not always though, because some of the magic is in having the blanks and trying to work out what to do next. In fact, all the blanks make the fish worth ten times more when you do catch one.

A stormy autumn night, and a filling river

One year I drove to the fishery and threw in about 4 kilos of large halibut pellets over a wide area in preparation for a weekend assault. I went down on the Saturday around 5 o’clock to top the bait up and met up with Kevin Bristow, another member. He told me he’d caught 7 fish that day all on – guess what? – 14mm halibut pellets! Wow, and next day when I went – not a single bite!

There was one year when I have spent 22 visits there and seen not one barbel, the chub and bream have made up for it to some extent, but they weren’t what I was targeting. This last season has seen me catch no barbel at all and yet it started so well, or seemed to. I was fishing pastes and lobworms and catching chub and perch respectively, as well as the odd eel.

 

Another few day's rain and ... overload! 

Mentioning eels reminds me of one occasion when Frank had a barbel and I released it for him in a quieter part of the fishery whilst he had another cast. When I came back he was in again convinced it was another barbel at first, but his hopes soon turned to concern as a good eel of around 4 lbs showed itself. I reached for his net and he yelled “Don’t use that net, use yours!” and like a fool I did, but when I asked him why after, he just said “Look at the state of yours now!” Thanks Frank!

Well, that’s some of the tales, the highs and many of the lows. With the pictures, you've seen the weir in some of it's different moods. After 12 years I still don’t know, but it’s a fabulous place to fish (I have to sort out the tickets for next season now) as are all weirs and I hope we can all go on fishing ours until Kingdom Come, but for the life of me, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to fully understand it. Weirs are pretty much like a woman, and you never will understand them.

(P.S.: Apologies for the sexist remark, but you get what I mean.)

 
Woody.

 







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Comments (19 posted):

Deanos on 24/03/2010 22:00:29
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Woody, Thank you for putting up the information on weir fishing. I have to say that the water in the North is far less polluted than the of the South. I spent a good hour checking out the weir that is close to my home, and did not see one of those red arrow things that the Thames seems to be thick with! Anyway, I have decided that the best thing I can do is make A PLAN! The component parts for this plan are as follows: One pair of large y-fronts (double elastic, as when wet they have an unnerving habit of falling down, this happens every year when I am on holiday at Cleethorpes, quite dangerous if the donkeys happen to be passing by I can tell you!). One string vest! This is best tucked into the underpants, and although it serves no practical purpose, as my hero “Bruce Willis” (Pontefract’s most favourite son!) always wears a vest in his films, I do find wearing one just a bit inspirational! Snorkel, flippers (self explanatory). A large coal hammer! Well we have a number of seals in the Yorkshire Ouse, and if you have seen the wild life programmes, some of them have big floppy noses, and weigh as much as the average Castleford bird, but WORSE! They actually have BIG TUSKS like bloody elephants! If one of those grabs at my pants I want to be able to protect myself. I have in the past not only viewed Jack Custurd (the skinny French bloke) who used to swim about a lot, but also Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea! So feel that I really have all the experience I need to enter the raging torrent. Please don’t be alarmed, as I did also swim 10 yds whilst at school 35 years ago, and, well, you never forget do you. So, its in we go, and have a look around, see where the fish are, presto! I win the Fox Cup AND GET LOTS OF FREE TACKLE, AND MY FACE ON THE FRONT OF THE ANGLING TIMES! God knows it could do with a good story! I shall be waiting for the weather to warm up a bit, if I get my mug shot in the angling press, I don’t want everyone and his dog laughing at my shrunken tackle do I!
Wobbly Face (As Per Ed) on 24/03/2010 22:29:37
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Deanos, if your weirpool is a s big as Woody's, Yfronts wont be enough, try a pair of Jockies, and if in flood, have the their horses as well.
Jeff Woodhouse on 24/03/2010 22:58:35
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I have to say that the water in the North is far less polluted than the of the South. I spent a good hour checking out the weir that is close to my home, and did not see one of those red arrow things that the Thames seems to be thick with! That's because you lot don't pay enough for your fishing, I've seen the prices of your tickets. You couldn;t even buy a bacon butty darn 'ere for that! The red arrers are implanted in the weir and grow as the current grows, it's a new bit of technolology we have. As for pollution, well you never know what's going to float past next in your swim on our weir.
Nigel Connor on 24/03/2010 23:10:42
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I've fond memories of this stretch having a couple of nice barbel after an invite from Jeff. How's my ticket coming on Jeff? I always find the weir run off where it shallows off from the pool itself productive.
Jeff Woodhouse on 24/03/2010 23:15:57
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How's my ticket coming on Jeff? Can you get to Windsor tomorrow? . . . . . . . . . . I'm not going, but that's where the end of the queue is. :D I owe you cheque yet don't I. Must post it.
Cakey on 25/03/2010 07:16:38
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blimey he has wrote something I like ha ha ha any carp in there for me to poach ?
Peter Jacobs on 25/03/2010 07:37:45
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any carp in there for me to poach Nope, the ones we had out of there were either fried or BBQ'd [insert daft smiley thing > > > > HERE]
Jeff Woodhouse on 25/03/2010 10:47:54
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any carp in there for me to poach ? Yes, one over 30lbs, honest. I took a picture of it once, not very good - no polarising lens, and it had my foot in it for measure. It came right into the side in just 2 feet of water. It also had two mates with it. I saw the first being around 10-12lbs, followed by a mate that looked about 20lbs. And then came grandad -and I'm not the only one to have seen it. Roger also saw it one day whilst eating his sandwiches, he said his mouth stayed open for quite a while until the fish disappeared again. This was all during the close season and as soon as the season opens, they're gone - never to be seen again until next close season. Little teasers they are.
Cakey on 25/03/2010 11:41:34
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must have Cakeys name on it............
The bad one on 25/03/2010 12:22:05
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Enjoy them whilst you can, because Archimedes the Screw will be coming to them in the next few years. Then it's no fishing signs :)
Jeff Woodhouse on 25/03/2010 13:38:57
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If you mean hideous contraptions like this - Then it will have an impact, but on our weir, it's most likely to be installed in the middle. I would like to know what impact they have on flow in other parts of the weir and what cost v. benefits they have. I am not opposed to any green energy creation, but from what I gather if they built thousands of these things and screwed (pardon the pun) up every weir in the country it would still only provide 1% of our energy requirement by 2020. Would a good modern nuclear reactor provide much more at less cost and destruction?
Graham Whatmore on 25/03/2010 15:53:59
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What a monstrosity to put on a beautiful river and they obviously don't work because it hasn't taken off yet :confused: I like that article Jeff, weir all coming to join you for a fishin ;)
Cliff Hatton 2 on 25/03/2010 23:57:18
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I had a stroll from Hurley to Marlow last Sunday intent on fulfilling my mini-ambition of a pint in The Compleat Angler...I THOUGHT it was a boozer. Having passed two exquisitely dressed doormen and a couple of Bentleys in the car-park I'd reached the point of no return - I'd started so I had to finish! I found the 'public' (Ha ha ha ha ha.....ha ha ha ha .......ha ha ha ha ....) bar and was escorted to a table and given a menu. "I'll just be having a beer, thanks" I said. "Of course, Sir, that's the drinks menu you have" Well, I kept it as cheap as possible with a bottle of Marlow Rebellion Red for me and my son and a cup of tea for his wife. Including service charge it came to £16.00! Mind you, we DID get a few olives and a handful of almonds thrown in. Should I ever be privileged enough to fish the weir I'll make sure I've got a flask of tea with me.
r1paul on 26/03/2010 11:02:08
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£16 for a bottle of red and a cup of tea , that is taking the mick , I would want two full breakfasts for that , with unlimited tea .:eek: :D ---------- Post added at 11:02 ---------- Previous post was at 10:49 ---------- Woody , the weir pool at Cookham , is it club owned or free fishing ? ( It was free , or at least I think so when I fished there as a boy ):whand given there are very few swims , does it produce the barbel as such ?:)
Jeff Woodhouse on 26/03/2010 12:43:00
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£16 for a bottle of red That's red BEER, Les, not wine. ;( It's the olives that push the price up. Each one is softened by Mabel who, once her teeth are removed, suck the stones out manually to save breaking the customer's teeth. You don't get that service everywhere! Good job you didn't stay for dinner Cliff. We'd have been visiting you in Wycombe General by now I expect and it wouldn't be the food (which is excellent BTW), but the bill that caused a cardiac arrest. ---------- Post added at 12:39 ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 ---------- Woody , the weir pool at Cookham , is it club owned or free fishing ? ( It was free , or at least I think so when I fished there as a boy )and given there are very few swims , does it produce the barbel as such ? It is free, Les. Just about two people can get on the end to fish downstream, too many snags (sunken boat I believe) right below the sluice gates. Yes there are barbel around there, but hard to catch, like Marlow. ---------- Post added at 12:43 ---------- Previous post was at 12:39 ---------- "Of course, Sir, that's the drinks menu you have" I'm surprised, they used to say "Carte du vin", but you can't get the staff these days. It would have been extra anyway, I expect.
r1paul on 26/03/2010 14:07:44
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Kin Hell Woody , £16 for a bottle of beer , that is really taking the pith .:( Mind you , I bet they don`t do packets of peanuts or pork scratchings .:D
Jeff Woodhouse on 26/03/2010 17:04:42
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No Les, it was £16 for TWO bottles of beer AND a pot of tea, which BTW, is lapsang souchong. Only the very best is good enough.
r1paul on 26/03/2010 17:20:11
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Oh well , that`s all right then .:rolleyes: :D
Cakey on 26/03/2010 17:56:04
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Woody .....Im in and they said I can use the punt but as a guest I have to wait until 6 weeks after the start of the seaon ,fancy a go ?


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