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Paul Hadfield (Dayglowfroggy) puts his thinking cap on - but wonders if his ideas can be improved.

I do not pretend to be any sort of expert in any type of fishing but I do like to think of myself as a thinking angler who is always looking for new ways of doing things. This article is an accumulation of various material from various sources and I don’t want anyone out there to think I am claiming credit for anything that they have done or suggested.

I got a lot of my ideas from the eel fishers forum as well as from other people on the FM forum and this is only meant as a work in progress; to give others ideas and see if it stirs some improvements. It’s one of the best things about fishing that everyone freely exchanges information on new rigs and approaches.

I have only used these rigs on one night fishing and both led to hooked fish though I did not land either. I think one was a small zander and the other was 100% an eel.

As can be seen from the first photo the idea behind this rig is to mount a bait without causing much damage and to make the hooks stand proud for better hooking. The size 14 barbed hook is whipped onto the size 8 circle hook. Part of the reason for the use of the circle hook is that if it was swallowed it would likely not hook on the inside of the mouth, only on the way out, or at worst the size 14 barbed might.

I made the T bars out of the empty end of a biro tube pierced it with a heated pin, put it on the hook, squashed it flat, then ran superglue down the inside. It seems solid enough and the extra whipping with thick cotton might not be necessary.

The carp hooks I used were size 8 withy pool hooks with the little run ring and blob on the hook. This was an accidental discovery, that you can then move the hook up and down the trace allowing for the size of the bait. I did find that this aspect might need work - maybe wrapping the trace around the hook before going through the eye to firm up the grip as I did find it had a tendency to slip a bit on casting and would potentially slip down if there was a fish holding on, so - still not perfect but I like the adjustability option.

The size 14s that I have used are fly fishing ones, as these are the only small barbed ones I own and I do not think they are the ideal shape or possibly size. That is something I will look at. They did not however, kill off my live bait when used with some bait elastic, so they did achieve another important function. One live bait swam off looking fine after a couple of hours attached to this rig.

The next rig I assembled in response to reading about setting up a bolt rig for eels by The Burglar. He had the idea of using a 3” bent piece of heat-shrink from carp fishing and I just thought that the fitting of a John Roberts feeder boom made sense as it gives a guaranteed stand off from the rest of the rig, as well as giving a convenient anchor point for a float of some description. Mine are half a champagne cork but you could use cheaper varieties.

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The picture shows the rig in miniature and it's designed to be used with a huge weight as well as a very heavy bobbin or other indictor also the sunken float could be wherever you feel it would be most effective, depending on depth of flow. I suppose the ultimate thing to do would be to get a set of roll-over indicators from Barry McConnell then the possibilities for critically balancing are almost endless. When funds allow I will be getting some.

The idea of this set up is that the bait is suspended at whatever height you want. When the eel reaches up to take the bait the bent bit of tube wraps around the front of it’s head stopping it from swallowing and hopefully encouraging lip hooking. I added the circle hooks as it seemed to compliment the bend.

This is a quick bit to show how to tie an adjustable hair rig it works with mono and fluro but not so good with braid. It is best to leave the hair long and then, after putting the bait on, adjust it to whatever you want - but it will not go big again only smaller. It has the advantage of no knots on the hair as well.

It is the snell knot which is basically the no-knot in reverse. Roy Marlow says it is stronger than the Knotless Knot. My mod is to make two loops leaving two tag ends. It makes it easier to put the one for pulling the knot tight through the eye (but you don’t have to) then whip from the pointy end up to the eye and pull on the tag, keeping your fingernails over the last whipping to keep it on the hook .

Ok it’s fiddlier than the knotless knot but if you can do that, you can do this.

I have read somewhere about another way of doing this using the knotless knot and tying some sort of knot on the loop that allows you to open it or tighten it to mount a pellet but I have forgotten how to tie it. Let me know!

Go forth and improve that’s what I say.

Regards

Dayglowfroggy AKA Paul Hadfield

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Comments (9 posted):

Dicky (Angling Trust PAC) on 05/10/2010 19:28:51
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Hi Paul, First off, I love your spirit of invention and none of the following ‘spiel’ is meant as criticism; just ‘interested with questions’. I spend hours and hours on the bank tinkering… I am guessing (it's not clear?) that the first picture/ rig has been designed specifically for zander; I find compromise (e.g. multi-species predator rigs) to be a holy grail that we will never achieve and prefer personally to target specific species with specific rigs. I know a lot of chaps that whip together smaller (holder) hooks to larger (piercing) hooks, and this certainly works BUT, for zander, my philosophy has always been less (rig bits) is more, and I can’t see what advantage the T-bars achieve, or indeed the adjustable element. With zander bites so finicky at times, I’d rather build a rig for the bait? Also you don’t mention bite indication which greatly affects the success or otherwise of most zander rigs. Another interesting variable with zander is hooklink material. I use very soft, supple materials (AFW Surfstrand/ Prologic Soft Wire etc) for zander but I wouldn’t hesitate to use stiffer material (Fox Carboflex, Drennan bog-standard) if my target was pike; they just don’t seem as rig-sensitive as the pike-perch. The second rig (which I assume is an eel set-up) I can’t comment on. I have been lucky enough to have surprise eels from the Severn to 3lb plus but have never targeted them specifically so your best bet is someone far more qualified like Wol or the Dog looking in on the thread… Thanks for the very enjoyable and interesting read Dayglow and, as I said earlier, all points in my post are meant in the spirit of healthy debate and communal interest :):cool:
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 05/10/2010 19:57:35
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Interesting idea - gives other ideas to try
MarkTodd on 05/10/2010 20:56:13
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Whilst certainly not an out and out predator angler I did fish a season a couple of years ago on the local pike matches. I was so suprised at how little Pike fishing had moved on (rig wise) So for me I found this article inspired. It certainly has me thinking a bit more and maybe a little more outside the box.
dayglowfroggy on 05/10/2010 21:43:39
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Glad people are getting ideas from this article , the first was designed with Zander in mind but when we were Zander fishing it was eels that we were actually catching (or not ).From some asking around I have found that one of the best Zander hook arrangements is a single size 8 trebble however we found through experiance that in a time when eels are on the rampage trebbles are a big no no and lead to dead eels , this would not be a problem from now on with the eel seasion just about finished. I suppose part of the idea with the t-bars was to try and hook up a few more of the dropped runs I have a feeling that fish eating eels can have a crushing type of bite that can flatten hooks to the bait unlike say perch ,pike or zander that have a caverty behind the front teeth or a compressing mouth area in the case of perch , we had a lot of live baits bitten of just below the hooks when using a single hook of any type as if they felt the hook and just took what they could. The second rig was designed as a bolt rig for eels working on the princible that they would reach up to the bait and pull back therefore self hooking against a 4 or 5 oz lead . My bite indication has been limited to either very heavy or very light bobins or a quiver tip with a glow tip simply becuase i don't own anything else yet . I have been looking at various trace materials and the kevlar type looks the best in around 25lb but unfortunatley the catfish stand was out of that strenght at the PAC confrence .I don't see the point in predator fishing with anything that would not cope with pike . Thanks for replys and comments .
Paul H on 06/10/2010 13:22:40
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I have been looking at various trace materials and the kevlar type looks the best in around 25lb Both Andy Nellist and Wol have both said that this is pants, due to it degrading very quickly in sunlight (I am pretty sure it was the kevlar stuff anyhow). The brands Dicky mentions above like Surfstand are great quality materials and plenty soft enough for zander. You can easily knot the Surfstrand, just make sure you get the right version - Here.
Neneman Nick on 07/10/2010 08:29:08
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Dayglow,Dicky....ref the use of a "T-bar" on a hook . I remember seeing a single hook rig set up like this a few years ago in one of the angling mags.It was designed/used for fishing for eels and the idea of the bar was to prevent the eel actually swallowing the hook.
Paul H on 07/10/2010 12:48:31
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I am thinking that in this set up they are intended to prevent the single hook from folding flat to the bait therefore improving the hooking potential. Personally, I do not think that the use of appropriately sized semi-barbed trebles would be any less efficient and would be easier to rig-up. I am also not sure how a bait mounted on a rig with either a single or double treble arrangement would lead to dead eels, other than in unusual and unfortunate circumstances. I once had a small but suicidal eel impale itself on a single hook with a 21mm hair rigged halibut pellet as big as its head. This, however, would not stop me from using the same rig again as it was simply an unusual and unfortunate event. The dead eel went unwasted by the way as it got used as pike bait.
dayglowfroggy on 10/10/2010 17:16:36
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In response to the trebles question they are a huge no no when it comes to eels as there is no way you can ever get anything out that has been swallowed and the heart is at the back of the throat. I suppose both of these rigs are aimed at eels to some degree simply because over the summer my zander fishing was in waters that contained a fair share of eels. I have spoken to Barry McConnell (perhaps the country's best eel expert) and he will not fish trebles till the eel season is finished, then a single treble is his way for zander . I have not done enough fishing for either species to pretend to be an expert or to have built up my confidence in any one rig but I did learn from sad experience that trebles and eels do not mix.
preston96 on 10/10/2010 17:33:11
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In response to the trebles question they are a huge no no when it comes to eels as there is no way you can ever get anything out that has been swallowed and the heart is at the back of the throat. I suppose both of these rigs are aimed at eels to some degree simply because over the summer my zander fishing was in waters that contained a fair share of eels. I have spoken to Barry McConnell (perhaps the country's best eel expert) and he will not fish trebles till the eel season is finished, then a single treble is his way for zander . I have not done enough fishing for either species to pretend to be an expert or to have built up my confidence in any one rig but I did learn from sad experience that trebles and eels do not mix. In over 35yrs of Pike and Zander fishing i have never had an eel swallow a bait adorned with two trebles. I applaud the experimenting, i do a bit myself but keep coming back to trebles........in fact a size up from what i used in the 70's and 80's.


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