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The Best Chub Rig in the World – Ever!

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A nice 6lb plus fish on the maggot feeder rig described, one of several that day. A nice 6lb plus fish on the maggot feeder rig described, one of several that day.

Welchy ‘Weighs In’ with a look at one of the most clinically effective ways of catching big chub.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, so it’s probably not always the ‘best chub rig in the world ever’ but in these days of hyperbole it seemed as good a way as any of kicking off this feature and, to be fair, it is a rig which has accounted for dozens of chub over 6lb for me in the past few seasons and probably getting on for a hundred or so in all the years I have used it. I’m not for a moment saying I wouldn’t have caught a lot of those fish by other means but I’m certain that on a lot of venues, and with a lot of fish, it has given me a genuine edge.


So, what is it and why is it so good? Let’s start at the beginning, where else, and look at chub baits.


I have to say the bait I have caught most of my big chub on over the years is milk protein but that is probably because it is the bait I fish most often and it is perfectly suited to the pre-baiting followed by very short session fishing that I tend to do.


Chub, however, are the ultimate omnivores, they will eat just about anything, but the one bait which stands head and shoulders above all of the others is the humble maggot.


Providing you have a little time, and indeed patience, to feed a swim then there is no chub that swims which you will not catch as they just cannot help themselves and, rather like a kid in a sweetshop, no matter how much they know they shouldn’t they just can’t help themselves – and once they start they just cannot stop.


Spraying maggots and trotting over the top is one way to take advantage of this greed and it works both shallow, under a waggler, or deeper, under a stick float, Avon or loafer but for me the ‘clinical’ and most efficient way to trap them is with the maggot feeder.


Unlike barbel, which will usually stay well back from a feeder and wait for the feed to be carried downstream to them, the greed of chub is such that once the flow of feed has been established they will be on the feeder as soon as it splashes down, looking to get at the maggots as quickly as possible and before their shoal mates. This results in a lot of bangs and knocks on the tip as the fish knock and quite literally pick up the feeder to get to the maggots as quickly as possible; often resulting in missed ‘bites’.


I tend to start a session by fishing without a hooklength; simply filling up a feeder and re-casting it to the head of the swim every couple of minutes to get a steady trickle of feed through the corridor. Quite how long this initial feeding takes is dictated entirely by the fish activity. What I’m looking for is constant ‘bangs’ on the quiver tip as the fish attack it – I don’t mean the odd ‘tap’ either -  I mean a constantly moving tip with it occasionally pulling right round as a chub lifts the feeder right off the deck and tries to do a runner with it.


I’ve known this initial process to take anything from a few minutes to a few hours depending on the nature of the swim, the density of chub on the beat, how pressured the fish are, when they were last fished for, conditions on the day.... Every day is different and indeed on many days and in many swims it is not always the best approach to try but given a long, relatively featureless glide and a touch of water clarity on a river with a decent head of big chub then I find it hard to beat.


With the fish worked into a frenzy it’s easy to pick off a couple fairly quickly, especially the smaller fish in the 3 to 5lb range but to consistently nail the larger fish effectively you need to employ very fine tackle and very short hooklengths with a size 18 or 20 hook to an inch or two of 2lb line about right for the rivers I fish and the chub I tend to target.


To many people this will seem ridiculous light but believe me it makes a massive difference to your results; I would guesstimate that each time you go up a hook size and line diameter you probably halve the number of bites you get...


Of course it’s not the kit you want to be using when trying to extract a fish from a jungle of underwater roots – then it’s time for the 6lb line, 4lb hooklength and size 10 but in an ‘open’ swim with a soft rod it’s just a matter of taking your time.


The problem with such tackle is that such a short hooklength in close proximity to the feeder can result in line breaks and hook pulls and it is none too easy playing a big Chevin safely when your feeder is bumping against its nose throughout the fight.


To overcome this I devised (well, I say ‘I’ devised it – someone may well have come up with it before me but if so I hadn’t seen it before!) the following rig which allows you to fish a ‘standard’ length hooklength but to present it in such a way that your hookbait sits perfectly on top of the feeder, as if there was no hooklength at all, and yet as soon as the fish is hooked the full length of the hooklength comes into play. It also has the advantage that anyone watching you play and land the fish gets the impresssion you are using a bog standard set up – and that works for me too!


A rubber maggot is the perfect hookbait as they eliminate the possibility of small fish pecking away at the bait and indeed hooking themselves, although I’m sure a big chub would take a minnow anchored to the top of a maggot feeder it’s not ideal! A rubber grub keeps it neat and sweet.


Here’s how I make it:


Step 1Step 1
The first step is simply to shave a cork plug so it fits tightly inside one of the holes in your choice of maggot feeder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Step 2Step 2
Once you have the fit push the plug into one of the holes – opposite the weighted side so it will always sit on top of the feeder – and cut a slice through the plug into which you can then insert your baited hook.


 

 

 

 

 

 Step 3Step 3
The finished rig looks like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Step 4Step 4
I tend to fish red maggots if the water is clear and white maggots if there is a bit of colour to it but I’ve experimented with fluorescent grubs too and they work every bit as well, and may indeed offer an edge at times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Enterprise clip solution - neat and discreetStep 5
To make the whole process a lot easier, and indeed more versatile, I’ve literally just discovered that Enterprise Tackle manufacture a swimfeeder line clip that simply screws into your feeder and allows you to tension the clip perfectly according to the diameter of line you are using. I’ve not tried one yet but it looks like a real winner.







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Comments (64 posted):

jasonbean1 on 10/02/2012 18:19:59
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just wait....cg will tell you how to catch chub.........:D
barbelboi on 10/02/2012 18:37:41
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I've been trying out the Drennan inline maggot feeder for some months with a two inch hook link with good results. However this certainly adds a new dimension to me for eliminating playing fish on a short line. Jerry
chav professor on 10/02/2012 18:41:18
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Never caught a chub using this type of feeder rig. Many thanks for giving an insight how to best get the fish going. I like the sound of feeding maggots through the feeder and reading the tip so you know when to chuck out a hooklink and armed hook! Brilliant Ian!
richard bowler on 10/02/2012 18:56:55
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Instead of a cork plug to shorten your hooklength I use sticky price tags to stick the hooklength to the feeder, when a chub hooks it's self it just falls off. You can by sheets of price tags cheap at office supply shops. I've also used an elastic band around the feeder and tucked the hooklength into that. As Ian say's my most effective way of catching chub by far. All the best Richard - Home
Berty on 10/02/2012 19:03:13
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You mean it wasn't Stef's idea!!??? lol
bigchub on 10/02/2012 19:48:22
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I customise Kamasan Black Cap feeders into inline versions. I find that the Drennan bolt rig feeders are a little on the large size and are to heavy to chuck out with a quivertip rod. If anyone wants to know how I do it I'll put up a short article.
barbelboi on 10/02/2012 19:59:37
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I customise Kamasan Black Cap feeders into inline versions. I find that the Drennan bolt rig feeders are a little on the large size and are to heavy to chuck out with a quivertip rod. If anyone wants to know how I do it I'll put up a short article. Why would you want to use a quivertip with Drennan bolt rig feeder:confused: Jerry
bigchub on 10/02/2012 20:26:58
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Why would you want to use a quivertip with Drennan bolt rig feeder:confused: Jerry If you re-read my comment you will see that I don't use Drennan bolt rig feeders with a quivertip. As stated the Drennan ones are too big for chub fishing but I convert Kamasan Black Cap's into a mini version. I use these with a very short hook link of 1-3 inches.
barbelboi on 10/02/2012 20:35:02
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If you re-read my comment you will see that I don't use Drennan bolt rig feeders with a quivertip. As stated the Drennan ones are too big for chub fishing but I convert Kamasan Black Cap's into a mini version. I use these with a very short hook link of 1-3 inches. Must have miss-read it, I thought it read "I find that the Drennan bolt rig feeders are a little on the large size and are to heavy to chuck out with a quivertip rod". .................Hence my comment. I tend to use Harrison Specialists pointed directly at the feeder - good balance IMO. Jerry
bigchub on 10/02/2012 20:45:20
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Must have miss-read it, I thought it read "I find that the Drennan bolt rig feeders are a little on the large size and are to heavy to chuck out with a quivertip rod". .................Hence my comment. I tend to use Harrison Specialists pointed directly at the feeder - good balance IMO. Jerry An 11ft 6" light/Medium feeder rod with a Drennan Bolt Rig feeder of 2oz + loaded with maggots is not a good idea, hence why I convert Kamasan Black Caps.
barbelboi on 10/02/2012 20:52:17
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An 11ft 6" light/Medium feeder rod with a Drennan Bolt Rig feeder of 2oz + loaded with maggots is not a good idea, hence why I convert Kamasan Black Caps. I'll simplify the statement - why mention the Drennon in the same sentence with a quivertip if we both know they're not compatible :confused: Jerry
bigchub on 10/02/2012 21:05:23
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I'll simplify the statement - why mention the Drennon in the same sentence with a quivertip if we both know they're not compatible :confused: Jerry Simply because there are no small versions of said Drennan feeder around (well not small enough for me) that suit my needs.
barbelboi on 10/02/2012 21:08:53
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Simply because there are no small versions of said Drennan feeder around (well not small enough for me) that suit my needs. Fair do BC, that's why they're not suitable for 'tips but, IMO very effective if used with balanced gear. Jerry
Simon K on 10/02/2012 21:12:38
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There was the "finned" Fox inline feeder of 1oz which we were using bolt-rigged in this fashion, but I would now use the heavier Drennan, avon tops and (along with Jerry) pointed as much as poss at the feeder. With a baitrunner, of course. :) I've never felt the need to go with very fine hooklengths. Always had very good results with 8 to 10lb fluoro. Once the chub are in "frenzy" mode and trying to eat the feeder I don't find the hooklength diameter makes any difference! ;) I'd just like to find a proper shoal of chub again to use the method on. :o
mjw on 10/02/2012 21:16:28
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I seem to remember reading about this rig some years ago,not sure where though. It may of been in one Phil or Stefs articles.
cg74 on 10/02/2012 21:17:21
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just wait....cg will tell you how to catch chub.........:D Well strangely enough Jason, I was shown this rig at Throop (guessing 12 yrs ago), the version I was shown, the angler swore by using a Fox feeder with fins, don't know how that'd help but he certainly caught some lumps. As you know I'm all to aware of how too get chub feeding; this being the prime way to trigger their innate behaviour of turning on to the most abundant food source, not unlike trout do. But what with me being a lazy git, I usually opt for the big bait under their noses approach; relying on the chub's innate opportunistic trait. Happy Beany??:wh Nice read Ian, cheers.
john step on 10/02/2012 21:30:20
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There was a similar in priciple to a method used yonks ago on the Trent (But without the extending hooklink)in matches perfected by an old timer who I think was called Bailey. The method was to use a very large swinfeeder with almost no hooklength. The feeders were converted pea cans and the like. The size 12 hook was fixed I think on half inch link above the feeder and baited with ONE maggot. The rig was continualy cast to induce the said frenzy which induced the bolt effect. I can only guess at the size of mortgage you would need to buy enough maggots for this method nowadays
johnnyfby on 10/02/2012 22:14:55
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There was a similar in priciple to a method used yonks ago on the Trent (But without the extending hooklink)in matches perfected by an old timer who I think was called Bailey. The method was to use a very large swinfeeder with almost no hooklength. The feeders were converted pea cans and the like. The size 12 hook was fixed I think on half inch link above the feeder and baited with ONE maggot. The rig was continualy cast to induce the said frenzy which induced the bolt effect. I can only guess at the size of mortgage you would need to buy enough maggots for this method nowadays would that be the "Dink Dink" rig....
Simon K on 10/02/2012 22:40:30
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would that be the "Dink Dink" rig.... I don't think so, completely different rig with the hooklink on a loop up the line from the feeder. Colin, I think the fins were so the round feeder didn't roll in the current. Single maggot and a line aligner. I mentioned this method in the back end of my Chub article.
Neil Maidment on 11/02/2012 00:02:09
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The feeder rig is very effective for the Dorset Stour chub as well and often sorts out the bigger fish. Black Kamasan inline with very short hooklengths are a common sight down there. I've not seen the clips, they look the business, far better than the lacky bands I use. But the method only comes into its own when the chub are mobile and actively searching for the concentration of bait, all the ingredients for frenzied competition for the freebies. The bites can be really savage. When it's clear that the chub are less mobile, nothing beats consistent loose feeding and trotting maggot. It's not the chub searching for the bait, it's the angler searching for the chub! Not sure about other venues but the last several weeks down on the Stour have seen the float severely out perform the feeder. It pays to be versatile. Or, if like me, with a definite bias towards the pin and float (often just for the sheer hell of it) I often "compromise" with the added concentration provided by the judicial use of a bait dropper!
Lee Swords on 11/02/2012 03:05:23
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This rig is years old. I used it in 1987 on the River Severn at Hampton loade. I believe I was made aware of it by Des Taylor in AT. Nothing new in angling. It certainly isn't the best chub rig ever...that is a completely puerile statement, all rigs have their day. To state that one size fits all is a sign of reduced IQ and abject narrow mindedness
Berty on 11/02/2012 08:32:41
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On it's day its a decent fish catcher........and yes it has been about for years in one form or another......all sorts have been used to "hold" the hooklink from balsa plugs to blutak. Best Chub rig in the world-ever? Nah. But a title like....."A half decent chub rig" doesn't have that superstar "ring" :) Best Chub rig? A float set up attached to an angler who really knows how to use it......now that wipes out a decent chunk of "specialists" :)
bigchub on 11/02/2012 20:08:41
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Maybe we are all looking at this post in the wrong way - OK, so it’s probably not always the ‘best chub rig in the world ever’ but in these days of hyperbole it seemed as good a way as any of kicking off this feature and, to be fair, it is a rig which has accounted for dozens of chub over 6lb for me in the past few seasons and probably getting on for a hundred or so in all the years I have used it. I’m not for a moment saying I wouldn’t have caught a lot of those fish by other means but I’m certain that on a lot of venues, and with a lot of fish, it has given me a genuine edge. Ian clearly states that's its not always the 'best chub rig in the world ever' so why are we all debating whether is the best rig or not even though the author says this at the beginning of the article? Maybe this article should have been titled differently.- 'My Favourite Chub Rig' would have sounded better for me. Saying 'this is the best' and 'that is the best' is only from Ian's point of view and opinion and he is well entitled to it. We all think of different things as the best. If we all did the same thing then the angling world would be a very grey place indeed! Then again is that not what internet forums are all about? Allowing people to aire their views on different subjects? Lately, and I don't know if its just me, but this forum seems to be descending into a slanging match and a distinct note of hostility darkens a fair few topics these days. I don't want this forum to be like that. We are after all on here for the same reason - to learn and improve our angling. So lets do it together instead of squabbling amongst ourselves and leave that to other forums.
Simon K on 11/02/2012 21:39:37
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Ian clearly states that's its not always the 'best chub rig in the world ever' so why are we all debating whether is the best rig or not even though the author says this at the beginning of the article? Quite. I'm glad you said it. I was going to mention this, but then I knew I'd get accused of "defending" Ian, or the some of the usual guff that's been going on. Never mind that it's up there in black and white? :rolleyes: Maybe Mr Swords should try reading the whole thing before letting the red mist descend? Ho hum.
Berty on 11/02/2012 22:01:34
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Maybe we are all looking at this post in the wrong way - Ian clearly states that's its not always the 'best chub rig in the world ever' so why are we all debating whether is the best rig or not even though the author says this at the beginning of the article? Maybe this article should have been titled differently.- 'My Favourite Chub Rig' would have sounded better for me. Saying 'this is the best' and 'that is the best' is only from Ian's point of view and opinion and he is well entitled to it. We all think of different things as the best. If we all did the same thing then the angling world would be a very grey place indeed! Then again is that not what internet forums are all about? Allowing people to aire their views on different subjects? Lately, and I don't know if its just me, but this forum seems to be descending into a slanging match and a distinct note of hostility darkens a fair few topics these days. I don't want this forum to be like that. We are after all on here for the same reason - to learn and improve our angling. So lets do it together instead of squabbling amongst ourselves and leave that to other forums. Yep......even when that opinion contradicts my own, i trust others feel the same way, wouldn't it be a sterile place if we all pulled our forelocks at those SOME see as the "top" guys?
Fred Bonney on 11/02/2012 22:50:50
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Quite. I'm glad you said it. I was going to mention this, but then I knew I'd get accused of "defending" Ian, or the some of the usual guff that's been going on. Never mind that it's up there in black and white? :rolleyes: Maybe Mr Swords should try reading the whole thing before letting the red mist descend? Ho hum. Me too....... ;)
Lee Swords on 12/02/2012 07:15:02
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Quite. I'm glad you said it. I was going to mention this, but then I knew I'd get accused of "defending" Ian, or the some of the usual guff that's been going on. Never mind that it's up there in black and white? Maybe Mr Swords should try reading the whole thing before letting the red mist descend? Ho hum. __________________ My "red mist" isn't descending... When it descends it is rather more to the point. I just don't like " Best ever type titles" As for reading the article...I would rather pull my frigging teeth out with a spoon and fork.
Berty on 12/02/2012 09:31:58
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My "red mist" isn't descending... When it descends it is rather more to the point. I just don't like " Best ever type titles" As for reading the article...I would rather pull my frigging teeth out with a spoon and fork. That is surely the best ever method of tooth extraction..ever?
Simon K on 12/02/2012 09:58:55
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Yep......even when that opinion contradicts my own, i trust others feel the same way, wouldn't it be a sterile place if we all pulled our forelocks at those SOME see as the "top" guys? Yep. After Lee's response, I think you speak for me too. :w
chav professor on 12/02/2012 10:00:36
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I have been aware of this rig for a number of years and for one reason or another never used it on my local rivers either rightly or wrongly assuming it would be difficult as the rivers where this method was devised: a) had a good flow to carry maggots to draw fish up to the feeder b) A larger head of fish competing against each other. It certainly would not be the best rig ever on my rivers, but I have wanted to try it out on other venues. The piece in Ian's article that interested me most, was how to build the swim up, recasting a payload of maggots and only placeing a hooklink when the fish are really having it. I like the sound of the feeder communicating the scenario taking place beneath the surface. If you have used a particular method and perfected it, the only reason to read it would be to find fault or post to share experience from a different perspective, is this not more constructive???:confused: I might just be a straw sucking Suffolk yocal, but I don't think I have ever understood that part as well as having just read Ian's article. Not defending, just think that it was a good article.
Neil Maidment on 12/02/2012 10:58:53
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Indeed Chav. I think it really comes into it's own when large numbers of chub are resident, the competition generated by concentrated maggot reduces whatever caution is left! 2 or 3 pints (or more) of maggot being introduced in short order, often via two rods, before a hook link is attached is fairly common down on the Stour. My "variation" when trotting is to start loose feeding as soon as I arrive in the swim, continuing to introduce feed as I tackle up, have a coffee, etc etc. Even when I'm set up and ready, I often don't start fishing for maybe half an hour or more. On the good days, the chub give their presence away by the occasional bow wave as they mop up the freebies. Often the results are instant. On Thursday my first fish was 6-06. I also rest the swim frequently but keep feeding. If I can I also keep the feed going in whilst I'm playing the fish. The other important bit that Ian makes is the small hooks and fine line. It took a while to convince me but I'm now very confident when using 18's/20's (even 22's) to .12/.13 hooklinks. I also much prefer the centrepin, for the enjoyment factor, but also because it helps me be very patient when playing the chub.
S-Kippy on 12/02/2012 11:08:05
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So how much bait do you take for a day on the Stour Neil ? While my zander are ice bound I quite fancy a go at this but TBH it is more years than I care to mention since I last fished Throop.
Neil Maidment on 12/02/2012 11:14:28
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Minimum 4 pints red & white, often more. Stop feeding and the chub tend to drift away very quickly.
Frank Elson on 12/02/2012 11:36:35
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This rig is years old. I used it in 1987 on the River Severn at Hampton loade. I believe I was made aware of it by Des Taylor in AT. Nothing new in angling. It certainly isn't the best chub rig ever...that is a completely puerile statement, all rigs have their day. To state that one size fits all is a sign of reduced IQ and abject narrow mindedness Don't be a berk. Don't you recognise humour ? ...and if your hobby is picking on forum headlines you need to get a life.
Lee Swords on 12/02/2012 18:38:41
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To be honest I may have jumped on this a bit strong but there is a bit of history between me and Welchy after he used pictures of me in one of his articles in a derogatory manner and without my permission. Ok, I had more than one barbel in shot but he did not know the context of the picture nor did he ask. So basically I think he is a tw*t, I think he is a charlatan that jumps from one company to another showing very little brand loyalty and therefore professional credibility. (and if you don't like that Ian I am on the Trent most Sundays I will bell you where about's and we can have a chat over it) What ****** me off most was that had the brass balls to call me for having a trio of doubles in a shot when he had stocked 500 barbel into a pond...Do as I say not as I do. I didn't even get a 'sorry' As for best chub rigs...try inline open ended with 6lb flouro hooklengths with mince in the feeder and a slither on the 14 hook. Its done me 2 sixes a five and two fours today in an ice filled trent....Not a bad rig at all.
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 12/02/2012 18:57:58
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Lee Let me know when the "chat " will take place - I'd like to see the 2 of you in conversation BTW - cracking piece in the Angling Star (again) Lee - bait boat - you puff:D
john m h on 12/02/2012 20:38:46
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A single sized 2 black VMC hook tied direct to 6lb mono accounted for 47 chub up to 5lb-08oz (plus a couple of unwanted barbel) from the Swale on the day York Minster was stuck by lightening 1980 something. Oh and three large uncut crusty loaves. Best chub rig ever? Whatever works on the day. I have a friend who used to work for CEMEX/RMC fisheries, Lee :rolleyes:
bigchub on 12/02/2012 22:38:23
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I'd actually like to see Ian take the time respond to some of the comments made in this thread. At least that way we can see things from his point of view.
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 12/02/2012 22:51:10
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I'd actually like to see Ian take the time respond to some of the comments made in this thread. At least that way we can see things from his point of view. sorry but Ian wont - for waht ever reason he doesn't do the forum - pm he does them got one myself
bigchub on 12/02/2012 23:04:48
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sorry but Ian wont - for waht ever reason he doesn't do the forum - pm he does them got one myself Just thought it would be nice for him to answer his critics and all.
mark barrett 2 on 13/02/2012 02:01:08
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To be honest I may have jumped on this a bit strong but there is a bit of history between me and Welchy after he used pictures of me in one of his articles in a derogatory manner and without my permission. Ok, I had more than one barbel in shot but he did not know the context of the picture nor did he ask. So basically I think he is a tw*t, I think he is a charlatan that jumps from one company to another showing very little brand loyalty and therefore professional credibility. (and if you don't like that Ian I am on the Trent most Sundays I will bell you where about's and we can have a chat over it) What ****** me off most was that had the brass balls to call me for having a trio of doubles in a shot when he had stocked 500 barbel into a pond...Do as I say not as I do. I didn't even get a 'sorry' As for best chub rigs...try inline open ended with 6lb flouro hooklengths with mince in the feeder and a slither on the 14 hook. Its done me 2 sixes a five and two fours today in an ice filled trent....Not a bad rig at all. Whilst Ian may choose to leave things unsaid on here Lee in this instance I am not so prepared, particularly when you choose to attack someone that I consider a friend. some of the stuff I will leave aside as I have no knowledge of the events and so cannot make constructive comment, but I am going to pick up on the "a charlatan that jumps from one company to another showing very little brand loyalty and therefore professional credibility." comment, because its utter *******s. That I can think of Ian has been associated with largely two companies Fox and Korum, I was with Ian at the same time as he was at Fox, in fact he was my "boss" for a large part of that. With the exception of one occassion when someone else ferked things up we have had no cross words in that time and I know Ian worked bloody hard and long hours at that time for Fox but in the end he had to leave for family reasons which are none of your business nor for the internet. Working for two angling companies (principally) isnt really a huge deal that I can see and why should he or any other angling consultant not move jobs if a better deal either financially or stability wise come along, any other job in the world you would be free to do the same, why does angling consider itself so special that this shouldnt be the case? On many occassions anglers that are working for a company are let go by that company, it certainly was my case at Fox, what am I supposed to do, not take on anything else if I am offered? your comments that switching companies makes Ian or by association any other angling consultant lacking in proffessional credibility are absolutely pathetic at best and ignorant of the facts of the industry, those being that most consultants are on yearly contracts, they dont make very much money a couple of thousand a year (for actual consulting) would be a very good hit and its rarely the case that one angler stays with a company for year after year. hell even Terry Hearn has just changed companies after years of being associated with the Drennan ESP range so does that make him less credible as a carp angler? does it hell. Personally Lee I have always enjoyed your dawblings in the past, eccentric as some of them havge been but atleast in part here you need to wind your neck in mate, I know Ian wont be heading for the Trent on your invitation, he's too nice a guy but if that had been said about me I would have found it far harder not to head oop north!!
Berty on 13/02/2012 08:28:33
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Mark. Ian has, to my knowledge had a pop at a couple of anglers in the past about their photographs, yet others have told of his own time spent with preparing fish for "model" shots. Now using others pictures without permission is something that shouldn't happen but if he then chooses to have a pop at those anglers without checking the facts then in my opinion he is leaving himself wide open. Sow n reap.
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 13/02/2012 08:37:29
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Just thought it would be nice for him to answer his critics and all. Others seem to do that for him
mark barrett 2 on 13/02/2012 08:45:51
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Mark. Ian has, to my knowledge had a pop at a couple of anglers in the past about their photographs, yet others have told of his own time spent with preparing fish for "model" shots. Now using others pictures without permission is something that shouldn't happen but if he then chooses to have a pop at those anglers without checking the facts then in my opinion he is leaving himself wide open. Sow n reap. And thats fair enough Paul, as I said I know nothing about that so I havent comented upon that part.
Berty on 13/02/2012 08:59:22
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OK Mark, fair enough. But i will add that comments like "i devised" when writing about this rig are really comical.....it's been about and written about for many years, i was surprised Martin tried to claim it to.......it's all so funny! Nothing wrong in bringing methods to the fore again and letting the angling world know just how good a method someting can be on it's day, but i and others find it pathetic at how some try to make it their own!
bigchub on 13/02/2012 10:44:17
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OK Mark, fair enough. But i will add that comments like "i devised" when writing about this rig are really comical.....it's been about and written about for many years, i was surprised Martin tried to claim it to.......it's all so funny! Nothing wrong in bringing methods to the fore again and letting the angling world know just how good a method someting can be on it's day, but i and others find it pathetic at how some try to make it their own! Think that this just about sums this thread up!
Berty on 13/02/2012 10:58:36
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Think that just about sums this thread up! Ahha.......the humble worm, i invented fishing with those you know. ;)
Lee Swords on 13/02/2012 11:05:11
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I have exchanged PM's with Ian and have nothing further to say on this thread. Mark I am sorry you took umbrage at my comments but everyone has rights to comment especially when they themselves have been commented upon.
mark barrett 2 on 13/02/2012 11:09:31
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I have exchanged PM's with Ian and have nothing further to say on this thread. Mark I am sorry you took umbrage at my comments but everyone has rights to comment especially when they themselves have been commented upon. Absolutely Lee and after all we could have just "dissapeared" your post, no one here is beyond reproach, just so long as its accurate mate.
cg74 on 13/02/2012 11:15:37
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OK Mark, fair enough. But i will add that comments like "i devised" when writing about this rig are really comical.....it's been about and written about for many years, i was surprised Martin tried to claim it to.......it's all so funny! Nothing wrong in bringing methods to the fore again and letting the angling world know just how good a method someting can be on it's day, but i and others find it pathetic at how some try to make it their own! No, what is comical is the inability of some to read an article, as Ian clearly writes: "To overcome this I devised (well, I say ‘I’ devised it – someone may well have come up with it before me but if so I hadn’t seen it before!)" Equally laughable is John MH's statement: " Best chub rig ever? Whatever works on the day." John, just think about what you've written there; nothing like stating the bleedin' obvious eh? But then even after the best days chub fishing ever, ever, ever, unless you can see exactly how the chub are behaving, any conclusion is just supposition...
tesco value on 13/02/2012 11:19:19
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An interesting article. I've never used the actual technique Ian's outlined, but getting the chub really competing for maggots is an exciting and devastating method for catching them, whether it's by float or feeder.
Berty on 13/02/2012 11:39:38
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No, what is comical is the inability of some to read an article, as Ian clearly writes: "To overcome this I devised (well, I say ‘I’ devised it – someone may well have come up with it before me but if so I hadn’t seen it before!)" Of course i read that.......thats the bit i found comical, it's been in print a few times, kinda strange that someone who writes so often wouldnt have seen it!!!
chav professor on 13/02/2012 14:18:44
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5000+ hits and all this discussion? I shall have to be more inventive with my titles for articles. Are we really having a bun fight over How Ian 'devised' a slither of cork to hold a hook link close to the feeder:omg::omg::omg: Articles IMO are transient, so by definition are the methods explained within the pages. no harm in re-introducing a technique - perhaps attributing credit where it is due..... but as most rigs involve a complex evolution resulting in something that works best - it is kind of irrelevant!
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 13/02/2012 15:05:00
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But I actually invented this rig back in 1902 at the end of the Boer war, for catching trout in rock pools. I remember teaching Dick Walker the rig in 1948 when he was trying to outwit a starfish(chocolate type) In 1957 Lee Swords claimed the rig as his own when catch still water barbel in Hillsborough park. In 1984 the rig was responsible for the Berlin Wall being pulled down and also a wall being built in the back garden of in 147b Dingle Dell However the rig because lost in 1987 when Simon Le Bonn dropped the diagram of the rig over the side of the ship as Duran Duran (incidentally the band was originally called Durham Durham but changed because Simon can't say the word Durham after suffering a bad curry in Durham as a child) filmed Rio The rig had been lost in time until Ian "Found" it again 0 well done sir for bringing it back to FM
Berty on 13/02/2012 16:01:05
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5000+ hits and all this discussion? I shall have to be more inventive with my titles for articles. Are we really having a bun fight over How Ian 'devised' a slither of cork to hold a hook link close to the feeder:omg::omg::omg: Articles IMO are transient, so by definition are the methods explained within the pages. no harm in re-introducing a technique - perhaps attributing credit where it is due..... but as most rigs involve a complex evolution resulting in something that works best - it is kind of irrelevant! Relevant enough to make you comment on how irrelevant it is, like i said, i found it comical. ;)
Rickrod on 13/02/2012 17:20:26
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But I actually invented this rig back in 1902 at the end of the Boer war, for catching trout in rock pools. I remember teaching Dick Walker the rig in 1948 when he was trying to outwit a starfish(chocolate type) In 1957 Lee Swords claimed the rig as his own when catch still water barbel in Hillsborough park. In 1984 the rig was responsible for the Berlin Wall being pulled down and also a wall being built in the back garden of in 147b Dingle Dell However the rig because lost in 1987 when Simon Le Bonn dropped the diagram of the rig over the side of the ship as Duran Duran (incidentally the band was originally called Durham Durham but changed because Simon can't say the word Durham after suffering a bad curry in Durham as a child) filmed Rio The rig had been lost in time until Ian "Found" it again 0 well done sir for bringing it back to FM What bait was Walker using to catch the starfish ?
Judas Priest on 13/02/2012 18:21:22
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As ever in the angling press these days, old rehashed articles and so called ideas as the "celebrity" try to keep their names in the angling publics eye. I've never seen a Blue Whale, but if I ever do I wont claim to have invented it just because I haven't seen it somewhere before.
steph mckenzie on 13/02/2012 20:08:15
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"Best FM Rig ever" .... :w
Berty on 13/02/2012 20:13:28
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"Best FM Rig ever" .... :w Noooo.........those days have gone, ;)
john m h on 13/02/2012 21:22:21
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Equally laughable is John MH's statement: " Best chub rig ever? Whatever works on the day." John, just think about what you've written there; nothing like stating the bleedin' obvious eh? But then even after the best days chub fishing ever, ever, ever, unless you can see exactly how the chub are behaving, any conclusion is just supposition... Just contributing to the trivia cg, and yes I could see exactly how the chub were behaving; several fish going after just about every piece of bread going past them, the bigger fish holding back taking the bits that dropped off, the bits with the hook. A feeding frenzy you might say. But as you say"To overcome this I devised (well, I say ‘I’ devised it – someone may well have come up with it before me but if so I hadn't seen it before!") is laughable, and to be honest not in the slightest credible. I probably know the guy who did the artwork for at least one of the articles to feature the method. Deep seeted subliminal thoughts/messages perhaps ;)
Paul Morley on 15/02/2012 19:01:01
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Flippin eck guys it doesn't make me feel like ever writing another word on the internet... all a bit extreme. I still have the written press articles Ian did with this technique, it was a while ago. Can't afford the maggots and don't really enjoy it tbh but this version is well explained for those who may not have seen it before. Jeez, one month he's being called a homosexual, now he's the antichrist...
bigchub on 15/02/2012 19:53:22
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Flippin eck guys it doesn't make me feel like ever writing another word on the internet... all a bit extreme. Amen to that. Its made me think twice about sending up an article I've nearly completed. Not that I don't expect a little criticism but come on........
john m h on 15/02/2012 21:40:02
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Everything Christian (chav professor) has ever written has been very well received.
steph mckenzie on 16/02/2012 08:20:35
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If you write articles whether professionally or Amatuerly ( not even sure that's a real word) anyway, you have to be able to expect Positive and Negative critisism. If you are only in it for the Positives then you have just made writing a lot more difficult for yourself. For those not willing to write an article incase they receive negative feedback, then i say good choice, because you obviously aren't ready to write openly for the Public to read and digest and to comment on. Just my thoughts and opinions, sorry if anyone doesn't agree with them but please feel free to leave me positive feeback only :p


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