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Wintle's World - No Feed Float Fishing

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Correct feeding is often the key to success when bait fishing yet not feeding at all can sometimes be successful, says Mark Wintle.

I’m not talking about stalking fish with a single large bait but much more conventional trotting where there is a strong tradition of using loose feed or groundbait.

When I started fishing as a whipper-snapper forty years ago my simple tactics were float-fished bread paste or worms, and occasionally legered worms. Such tactics brought dace, trout and occasional roach from the nearby Dorset Piddle. It was only when, with more pocket money, I bought maggots that I could afford to trickle in some loose feed to attract more fish. In the decades that followed, I learnt plenty from extensive match fishing where it is common, especially when dace fishing on a fast river, to have to compete for your fish with other anglers, and where your feeding mistakes are punished by your losing the fish.

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But over the last couple of years, I have found myself grabbing a simple kit that allows me to snatch a couple of hours fishing on the nearby Dorset Stour. Initially, my thoughts turned towards trying to tempt big perch so bait requirements have been a match pack of dendrabenas. My tactics have been to floatfish with an Avon float using a couple of worms on a size 10 or 8. I’ve certainly caught plenty of perch though nearly all small ones. This was expected but the bonus has been a surprising number of roach that nibble away until they manage the worm, some nice dace, small chub and the occasional big chub to well over five pounds.

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Fishing with worms is a tactic that I’ll continue to use when I feel so inclined but it was recent trip that really had me thinking. Although I had some worms I decided to try fishing with maggots on the same stretch where I’d previously tried worms. The major snag with maggots on the Dorset Stour in summer is bleak and minnows. Accepting that the experiment might be a disaster I took back-up bait of worms. Early season the minnows are not too active but to beat the bleak I used a medium Avon float taking a bulk of 7BB with some small shot below the bulk. A size 18 hook completed the rig.

Now for the tactical experiment. It’s clear that any loose feed quickly draws the bleak to the point that getting past them is a nightmare, even with heavy bulk shotting. I had a small amount of maggots and had no intention of trying to feed off the bleak, which would take half a gallon at least. Instead, I decided not to feed at all. The only maggots in the swim would be those on my hook.

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The swim is the tail end of a long glide before some weedy shallows. The river is around twenty yards wide here with a sunken tree opposite the fishing spot. There is a slack behind the tree that holds plenty of perch. There are roach, dace, perch and chub, as well as the tiddlers like bleak, minnows and gudgeon. Setting the float to seven feet meant that it only dragged under where the weed started. It wasn’t long before I started to get bites. I couldn’t entirely avoid the bleak but mostly I caught small roach of a couple of ounces and perch around six ounces which put up a spirited fight. A jack pike chased a couple of fish before successfully snatching one of the perch, after which it didn’t bother me again. Mostly I cast slightly downstream to the middle of the river but when the bleak were too troublesome I’d cast another five yards downstream. The disturbance of the float hitting the water obviously attracted the bleak.

After an hour and about a dozen fish aside from bleak, I decided to try a cast to run alongside the sunken tree. The float cocked, settled, I trimmed the line and the float sank out of sight. A gentle strike and I was quickly left in no doubt that I’d hooked something much bigger. Although I was using a hook to nylon tied back in the 70’s (I chuck all sorts of old bits and bobs into my roving bag!) I had confidence in Bayer 1.7 even if it was 30 years old. The chub put up a stubborn fight but I was never in real danger of losing it despite the nearside reeds or sunken tree. Whilst playing it I was under the impression that it was a middleweight of two or three pounds but when I drew it over the net, I realised that it was somewhat bigger. At 5-08 it’s my best chub so far this season not that I’ve spent much time pursuing them.

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After that bit of excitement, I had some more perch and roach before the swim died. As an experiment, I tried another swim at the top end of the glide but this time feeding 30 or 40 maggots every cast. Although I had a quick couple of roach and perch, the swim quickly became unfishable as the bleak and minnows (which had not bothered me at all in the other swim) took over.

My conclusion from this is that this tactic is worth a try on minnow/bleak infested waters from time to time. It is true that other summer baits – perm any from casters, hemp, tares, sweetcorn, worms, pellets – may often work better but there are times when maggots are a very good bait in summer provided you can fish them in a way that doesn’t every tiddler for a hundred yards. I’ve mentioned using worms and there’s no reason why you shouldn’t try flake as well. I have had success in a similar vein in a match when feeding casters extremely sparingly, just two or three at a time, so that the dace out-competed the minnows.

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Comments (10 posted):

hexy73 on 24/07/2009 11:30:37
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Nice article, In winter when I go Grayling fishing with a friend I'm quite happy to just trot a worm and search every likely swim where as my friend tends to use maggots with loose feed and we both catch about the same amount. Hexy
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 24/07/2009 12:42:13
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Interesting idea - not something I've tried - but worth ago if small fish are a problem
rufus on 04/12/2009 10:58:43
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Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with this. I use no groundbait tactics regularly on a particular stretch of the Warwickshire Avon that has a large head of small roach masking some larger specimens; I'll usually start a session with just trotted bread flake or a bunch of maggots and if the bites are consistent and quite easy to hit i'll stay with it all day and if I feed at all i'll only feed the most miserly amount of freebies imaginable . On the other hand if I do feed, and often this is the best way to kick start a slow swim, Ill feed heavily for a short time to turn the swim on and when the bites start then I'll stop feeding altogether until bites dry up once more. I also fish very big lobworms on the canal for the large roach it contains, also without groundbait of any kind to back it up. I have found that if I put groundbait on top of the worm then it will receive perch attention and the roach will not get a look in. On some perch free stretches you can cast a worm and leave it there for hours and hours - it will eventually get picked up by a roach and that roach will almost invariably go over a pound in weight.
peter crabtree on 04/12/2009 11:11:33
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Idlers quest was interesting rufus,but the 2nd paragraph was a bit baffling? nice pics .
slime monster on 04/12/2009 16:38:17
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It certainly works using corn on the bomb and matches have been won in winter by anglers feeding nowt ,I have not got the discipline to stick it out and it is not long before my hand strays to the the bait tray.
Dave Slater on 05/12/2009 07:02:29
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Sound advice Mark. As I do a ;ot of short sessions I tend to fish this way often, usually on the lead but sometimes the float, and it works very well for me. Like yourself I also tend to feed more if doing longer sessions.
Graham Whatmore on 05/12/2009 08:30:02
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So why is the link coming up as 'page not found' I wonder?
Mark Wintle on 05/12/2009 08:56:50
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It's linked to the old fmcarp
Graham Marsden on 05/12/2009 10:02:12
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Link is OK now.
rufus on 07/12/2009 13:54:09
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Idlers quest was interesting rufus,but the 2nd paragraph was a bit baffling? nice pics . Yes it was! If it is the dodgy scales post you are talking of? Thanks for pointing this out Peter, I have corrected it.
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