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Welchy Weighs In - June: Pellets – Spawn of the Devil

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Pellets, pellets everywhere! Pellets, pellets everywhere!

Welchy has a serious rant about one of his least favourite baits and blames the humble oily pellet for many of the ills in angling today from poor winter barbel fishing to the death of originality... but are they REALLY that bad?

 

 

 

I HATE pellets


There, I’ve finally come out and said it. As far as I’m concerned the bait which so many anglers rate as the first choice in their armoury are horrible, oily, stinky, rancid, potentially fish killing lumps of planet-harming crud which make all anglers who use them think they are God’s gift to angling.


There ARE alternatives!OK, OK so that’s a bit OTT but let’s calm down and take a long, hard look at the evidence and see just what the pellet has brought to the angling table during the decade or so in which they become the primary bait of choice for so many.


Let me start off that by saying ‘pellet’ I’m referring primarily to the hi-oil trout, salmon or halibut pellet and not to the low oil ‘coarse’ type pellets such as bloodworm, corn steep, hemp etc which are a very different animal altogether.

A massive Kennet Roach - on a 14mm pelletLet me also say that I do use pellets, very rarely if ever on the hook these days, but frequently in groundbait and method and spod mixes and in my bait shed at the moment are a dozen or so kilos of Dynamite’s finest 3, 4, 6 and 8mm Marine Halibut Pellets to see me through this year. Yes, that’s right, a dozen kilos to see me through the year, not the month, the week or even (heaven forbid) the next session but the whole year!


It is, of course, the question of quantity as well as quality of pellet which is one of the key issues here and just as tiger nuts have got a bad reputation in carp fishing circles because some plonkers think if they can catch fish using a handful then they will take a venue apart with a sackful (when in fact the reverse is true) so it is with pellets.


Just as carp anglers were quick to get on the pellet bandwagon so it was with barbel anglers and overnight a nation of meat chuckers became a nation of pellet flingers and the results were dramatic. Although you could (and still can) catch barbel on a big lump of the pink stuff chucking it into the middle of a summer river in broad daylight usually brought just one result as the barbel, quite rightly, used to bolt at the sight of it! Pellets changed everything.


Go for hazlenuts, not golf balls!The advent of the pellet revolution suddenly saw literally thousands of anglers start to catch barbel with a much greater regularity as the fish were quick to switch onto the new, and highly attractive, food source. Being very convenient, easy to present and relatively cheap barbel anglers on rivers right across the country switched onto the bait with just as much gusto as the barbel and with popular beats of some rivers seeing dozens of anglers using a gallon or so of pellets each and every day you soon begin to get an idea of the amount of the things being chucked in – we are talking tonnes - and I have vivid memories (or should that be nightmares) of watching Kennet barbel anglers using  barrows to wheel  25kg sacks to their swims...


Pellets became the great leveller, suddenly everyone could catch barbel and overnight the rules of the game changed for the thinking angler. I’m all for everyone catching more fish, bring it on, but no longer could you arrive in a swim and do your own thing because there was always the distinct possibility that someone had been in the swim the previous day or, heaven forbid, earlier the same day and dumped a couple of kilos of feed into it. The nature of the feed was such that it was filling and slow to digest so that barbel stuffed to the gills on high oil pellets would be less inclined to feed again for a much longer period than one picking up easy to digest hemp or maggots.


For the same reason I’m totally convinced that pellets have resulted in barbel being far harder to catch in the winter months than they ever were before. Filled with a high concentration of fat after an autumn of feasting on pellets a barbel surely has less need to re-fuel when conditions are adverse. Of course they will still feed when conditions are perfect - they are wild creatures in a constantly moving environment and need to take on calories if they are expending energy – but in recent years there are very few barbel anglers who will tell you that winter fishing has improved; barbel have less need to feed and a couple of 14mm pellets is probably more than enough to satisfy a big fish – now, just what did you put into your swim last winter?


They have even named rods after the bloody things!Winter is particularly problematical and I was inspired to pen this piece as a result of an angler moving in just downstream of me at the back end of last season. Despite an overnight frost and a water temperature of some 42 F said angler threw in a large handful of halibut pellets every five minutes for the course of his session until he had all but exhausted the large bucket he had brought with him.


If you have ever put oil in the fridge you will know exactly what happens to it at low temperatures and fish which struggle to metabolise oil at the best of times are far less able to do so when their metabolism is at its lowest and the oils in the bait are solid and totally insoluble. We are not talking warm water fish culture here and we not using feed designed to be eaten by Cyprinid fish either – the clue is in the name: trout, salmon and halibut pellets are designed to feed...guess what?


Pellets totally dominate modern catfishingA combination of anecdotal evidence and then scientific research showed the adverse impact of a diet of high oil pellets on the livers of cyprinid fish not evolved to cope with them and with the organs in question rapidly turning to a mushy jelly many fishery owners were quick to ban their use. It is important to point out here that this impact was on fish fed an exclusive diet of high oil pellets and that there is no harmful effect whatsoever on fish in a natural environment with access to a varied diet – such as river barbel - but the amounts being used should nevertheless ring alarm bells.


Quality-wise all sacks of pellets sold by the fish farming industry have a best before date in respect of the vitamin and mineral content and it is a surprisingly short time from the date of manufacture. The fact we may be using pellets which have passed this date is probably irrelevant as we are not looking to supplement our fish with vitamins but fish oils become rancid quickly, making then less attractive to fish and potentially harmful, and that’s supposing all pellet products sold into the angling market are made with fresh, high quality fish oil and believe me, they aint! You should always bin any unused pellets at the end of every season – but how many of us actually do?


Have you just settled into a once prime barbel swim not just containing a couple of kilos of pellets but a couple of kilos of rancid pellets? Perhaps you now begin to see the extent of the problem!

 


The Ebro - have pellets created a problem?The fact that high oil pellets have helped to artificially increase the weight of fish is oft discussed and there is no denying the extraordinary growth of catfish in, for example, some stretches of Spain’s River Ebro where pellets are applied not by the bucket but by the sack and much the same can be said of the cats in many British stillwaters.

The roach on my local beats of River Kennet have come on incredibly since pellets started to be introduced in huge quantities and an opening day fish of 2lb 11oz on a legered 14mm pellet intended for barbel brought this home to me several seasons ago and to this day if you want a big Kennet roach the bait to use on most sections which see any sort of barbel pressure is not a pinch of flake or a delicately presented maggot or caster but a bloody big pellet!


I used to catch a lot of winter barbelBarbel everywhere have been creeping up in weight too but with many of these weight gains on rivers which have not received an excessively huge input of pellets there are clearly other factors involved too; most notably global warming which, despite a couple of very cold winters, is a fact of life and one which has increased the potential annual feeding window of all species.

 

Pellets do play a role though but what of the consequences to the health and longevity of the fish? To their reproductive capabilities? To the wider environment of an unnatural pollutant? And a pollutant is exactly what an excess of any potentially harmful substance is be it crude oil in the Gulf of Mexico or pellet oil in the Ebro or Severn.


At the top of this feature I mentioned planet-harming pellets and although I’m not going to stand on my green soap box (well, not for long) there is no denying the fact that unsustainable global fishmeal production has major adverse social and economic impacts. The amount we use for angling is but a drop in the proverbial ocean compared to that used to feed farmed fish but fishmeal is potentially bad news from source to end use.


Life before pellets - the old pink barbel scarer!Despite everything pellets do remain an important part of our angling and I’d certainly hate to fish for bream or cats without them. I believe they still have a major role to play in barbel angling too but they need to be used appropriately to both maximise their effectiveness and to ensure that they do not damage the fish, the aquatic environment or the sport of other anglers. So, this season why not take a fresh look at pellets?


Start off by chucking out any left over from last season (and not into a waterbody please!!) and buying in fresh supplies. Only use them from the start of the river season through to the end of September, after which time switch to a low oil version. Think about alternative pellet baiting strategies such as using a feeder filled with wetted and mashed pellets to put pellet flavour into the water without actually feeding.

 

Use a dropper and a low-oil alternativeUse a PVA bag or bait dropper to put your pellets exactly where you want them rather than flinging them in and hoping, instead of using a PVA bag the size of a golf ball use one the size of a hazelnut and think about alternative hookbaits – maggots, casters, corn, paste, boilies and dare I say it even meat! 

 

Not only will you almost certainly catch more barbel as a result but you will also not have me sticking a 40mm halibut pellet where the sun don’t shine when you fill in a swim near mine next February!







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Comments (38 posted):

Berty on 17/06/2011 18:48:44
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A thought provoking article as part of your kick off Ian. I'm of the opinion that the humble maggot needs to make a come back....they are expensive enough to stop the numpties filling swims in. Nice to see you on board.....nice roach rudd hybrid used in the article BTW lol
steph mckenzie on 17/06/2011 18:53:43
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Surely the Humble pellet is not to blame, but the Anglers who abuse it's usage. Anglers of well known notirary (is that how it's spelt) and bait companies etc etc have promoted the usage of High Oil Pellets with captures of Monster Fish. What did we really expect would happen. I have heard of fishermen using 22 tins of Sweetcorn in a 5 hour match, can't say i hate the usage of sweetcorn, but Anglers can and will do anything to catch a fish. I liked the Article i just felt it should have been aimed more at the Idiots than the pellet. I suppose the days of chucking in 25kg sacks of Brown Crumb didn't have an adverse affect on the fishing. I do think it comes down to common sense but i bet most of us have thrown our bait in to our swims at the end of a fishing session without thinking about the poor soul who will be fishing it next. Anyway, like yourself i do use Pellets but in moderation and no where near the quantities that i have seen others use it, i like to mix mine with a Fishmeal Groundbait Mix.
Poshpaul (Angling Trust and PaSC) on 17/06/2011 19:01:05
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good article...and it is true people have become fixated.....and pellets are so clean and easy...why they don't even wriggle!!! Good opener Ian
Frank Elson on 17/06/2011 19:43:20
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Thought provoking... interesting, and well written. But, since I restarted fishing last year I have used bread and sweetcorn and caught some nice bags of roach and bream. When I get to the river next week I will use cheese and meat - and I expect I will catch some chub and maybe a barbel or two. I see no need for pellets.
Ron The Hat Clay on 17/06/2011 20:32:18
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Ian does raise some interesting points. Personally I do have a problem with pellets and it's a moral one. Consider what most pellets we feed to fish and use to catch them with. They are made from marine animals of some sort, anchovies, sandeels and krill are examples. These animals are the natural food to a whole range of sea fishes and due to overfishing, there is not enough of them to feed the food fishes of the sea. So feeding fish we breed for sporting purposes on food we are taking from sea fishes seems wrong. I must admit however that I do use pellets and have caught some nice fish on them, especially barbel, bream and chub.
steph mckenzie on 17/06/2011 20:35:17
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I wonder were Luncheon Meat and the likes come from then ..... Wait till artificial baits catch on, well be throwing in whole plastic chairs and tables as free offerings :D
barbelboi on 17/06/2011 22:37:46
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Good Article Firstly, I appreciate that this thread is ‘pointing the finger’ at high oil pellets. However, IMO The term ‘natural bait’ is odd as many people fish commercial waters (me rarely) and the most natural bait has got to be the pellet. After all isn’t this what fish are reared on from birth in fish farms. Does a worm or maggot look more natural to these fish than a pellet? Possibly there lies the problem where ill informed anglers are over using a bait that they do not fully understand, i.e. the difference between high oil pellets (Hallibut/trout) and the fishmeal based versionsr?
rains on 18/06/2011 03:57:04
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Nice read i have never tryed pellets but i will have to give them ago in a sencesable manner, I wish anglers had more common sense when feeding swims ect
Peter Jacobs on 18/06/2011 04:44:16
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That article probes and provokes many thoughts Ian. Personally I have never fished much with pellet preferring the old style baits,; maggot, caster, hemp, tares, bread, worm and of course the 'pink indispensible' as Chris calls it. I have all too often seen shall we say, less than competant anglers on the Avon catching and (mis)handling Barbel on pellet. Too easy-a-bait, in my ipinion.
MarkTheSpark on 18/06/2011 07:54:24
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What a superbly-written and well-reasoned article. And one which should give us pause for thought about our originality. The old 'magic baits - are they fair?' argument is a bit long in the tooth, so well done Ian for getting a perfect balance. As you say, fishmeal pellets have shown themselves to be so effective they've stifled any creative thought. Part of the fun of the river fishing I do is creating something a little different in the way of bait. Take that away, and my angling is diminished. In fact, I trialled a new bait last summer and, this summer, will be going all out with it to catch a Nene barbel. If it doesn't work as well as I thought it would, I will have the pleasure of making some adjustments. And although the impact of the amount of fishmeal bait we use is a pin-prick, as Ian says, we should - in support of our sea fishing brothers of the angle - not be using a product which is raping the oceans as a matter of principle. If you want to see the damage fish farming does, watch Bruce Sandison's film 'Shame Below the Waves' and you'll soon be thinking again not only about using fishmeal but eating farmed salmon.
dannytaylor on 18/06/2011 08:36:48
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Good stuff Ian, enjoyed reading your articles in CAT (a few years ago now) Ive seen the same thing happen in the winter on stillwaters when people pile in the stuff and wonder why they dont catch :rolleyes: "robot fishermen" One thing that gripes me about pellets is when fishieries ban them only to sell them in the "on site tackle shop" (hate these places as well :D) at inflated prices more "work of the devil" I like to use the "koi green pellets" in my angling are there any problems associated with these pellets?
gonebreaming on 18/06/2011 09:09:45
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Great article Ian . Thought provoking and educaitional . As you and others others have rightly pointed out it's the use of pellets and not the pellet itself that causes problems and furore . Those anglers who in a bid to learn through the media ,videos and forums ! are often led down a 'commercial path ' . Mixes made up with kilos of this and buckets of that are sold to a misguided audience on the guise that it's needed to catch fish. Will bait manufacturers change their policies and proffesional anglers show more concern ? We as anglers are responsible for fish welfare and I do hope many of those very valid points regarding the excessive use of pellets and other baits is given more thought .I certainly have . Regards Gonebreaming
Dave Slater on 18/06/2011 11:41:14
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I enjoyed the article Ian and agree with you entirely. I never use pellets on the rivers as I feel, as you do, that they have been overused and the fish now avoid them in a lot of cases. As an example a stretch on the Stour was hammered with pellets a few years ago. I was informed by those fishing the stretch that if you were lucky you would get one bite from a chub or barbel and had better connect as that was the only bite you would have. These people were all fishing from late afternoon until the early hours. I went there with a bucket of lobworms one morning and caught 11 chub including a brace of sixes. I could see the fish clearly and they were quite confident without the usual bed of pellets in the swim. I doubt if anybody had used worms for them before. I imagine I could have done equally well with the barbel there if I had fished for them. As I left the water some of the regulars were arrriving. When they asked how I had fared I said it was rubbish.;) Like you Ian I do use pellets in my feed on still waters but they are mixed in with hemp, corn and other additives and used quite sparingly. I do sometimes use soft hooker pellets for crucians and roach as they seem to like the sweet flavoured ones and this is sometimes useful if I want to avoid catching too many tench as the tench seem to prefer paste baits or boilies on the waters I fish. If I was limited to one bait it would probably be bread rather than pellets. I think many anglers these days decome stereotyped in their approach and ignore the simple things which often work best.
Cliff Hatton 2 on 18/06/2011 14:08:12
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It's all about self-restraint, common sense...knowing where to draw the line, isn't it? I think the problem has its roots in wider society - not just in the world of angling, though it IS very evident in our sport. I positively cringe in despair when I see the bloke opposite chucking out spodful after spodful of boilies - sometimes for a full hour. It doesn't take much of the grey matter to see the folly of doing this: very little in fact! Thanks, Ian, for a well-written and highly readable article.
Sean Meeghan on 18/06/2011 19:17:52
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Nice article Ian. Most people on here know my views on pellet and whilst I do use them they are just one bait in my fishing armoury. The problem is that if I walk into my local tackle shop I'm presented with one row of shelves containing nothing but boilies and another row of shelves containing nothing but pellets. This product placement is then reinforced by articles and advertorials which advocate the use of pellets and fishmeal groundbaits, often in large quantities. Reports in the angling press, particularly of carp captures, often mention the use of extremely large quantities of bait. So in my view it's not a matter of trying to educate Joe average in the correct use of what is a really effective bait when used correctly, but a radical change in the way the industry promotes it's products.
Berty on 18/06/2011 19:41:02
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Nice article Ian. Most people on here know my views on pellet and whilst I do use them they are just one bait in my fishing armoury. The problem is that if I walk into my local tackle shop I'm presented with one row of shelves containing nothing but boilies and another row of shelves containing nothing but pellets. This product placement is then reinforced by articles and advertorials which advocate the use of pellets and fishmeal groundbaits, often in large quantities. Reports in the angling press, particularly of carp captures, often mention the use of extremely large quantities of bait. So in my view it's not a matter of trying to educate Joe average in the correct use of what is a really effective bait when used correctly, but a radical change in the way the industry promotes it's products. Hmmmm.......aint gonna happen is it Shaun? ;)
laguna on 18/06/2011 19:49:05
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Very good article! It is with great concern as a conservationist; that the overuse of fishmeal in our baits, and more specifically the high oil content used with pellets (not to mention the sustainability aspects associated with producing them) - that we long decided an alternative was needed. Here's a couple of short extracts from our own research conducted with regards to fishmeal production which led to the development of the unique (SAC) pellet/boilie... LAGUNA – Market research data (2009-2010) Fishmeal Fishmeal is produced almost exclusively from small, bony species of pelagic fish (generally living in the surface waters or middle depths of the sea), for which there is little or no demand for human consumption. Fishmeal production also provides a major outlet to recycle trimmings from the food fish processing sector, which would otherwise be dumped at extra cost to the environment and the consumer. In the EU 33% of fishmeal is produced from trimmings/offal from food fish processing. Spain, France, Germany, Ireland and the UK produce fishmeal primarily from trimmings. Virtually all fishmeal supplies to the UK are sourced from Europe (UK, Denmark, Norway, Iceland) and South America (Peru, Chile). Five key species are used to produce fishmeal and fish oil in Europe. These can be divided into three groups: Not suitable for human consumption (inedible feed grade fish - sandeel, Norway pout), potential use for human consumption but mainly used for fishmeal because of limited outlets for human consumption (blue whiting, sprat, capelin) and primary use is human consumption but any surplus within the Total Allowable Catch (TAC) may be used for fishmeal (herring). Four species are used to produce fishmeal and fish oil in South America. In Peru, anchovy is by far the most important species for fishmeal production, followed by jack mackerel. The Chilean fishmeal industry uses jack mackerel, anchovy, sardine and horse mackerel. Source: GAFTA ------------------------ If the cost of fishmeal continues to rise as a result of higher demand from China and reduced catch rates continue due either to; ever-depleting and unsustainable stock levels from over fishing, increased fishing quotas, or indeed due to abnormal weather patterns around the world etc. and other market influencing factors. Then it is quite likely that Fishmeal analogue will replace some of that shortfall, especially poultry animal protein in order to satisfy demand from countries that do not allow the import of anything containing beef or pork meat and bone meal. While Fishmeal analogue is seen as a viable alternative especially with salmon farmers who’s fish input – output ratio is higher than all the rest in the fish farm industry; (the most recent figure published comes from Tacon & Metian (2008) who gave the figure for Salmon in 2006 as 4.9:1, meaning it takes 4.9 tonnes of wild fish to produce 1 tonne of salmon. Source: IFFO). It does not necessarily detract from their importance’s that both are used and will continue to be used as a high protein animal feed, with aquaculture usage being the higher user. ---------------------- Annual catch limits All stocks used to supply fishmeal to the UK are subject to total annual catch limits, set by Governments on a yearly basis. Total catch limits for the North East Atlantic and North Sea are agreed by the EU Council, Norway or Iceland (with advice from ICES). In South America the Institutes of Fisheries Research in Chile and Peru advise national governments on catch limits. Overall, 80% of the 523 selected world fish stocks for which assessment information is available are reported as fully exploited or overexploited (or depleted and recovering from depletion). EU Consultation on 2010 TACs. May 2009. The consultation states that slow progress has been made in stock recovery since the 2002 reform of the Common Fisheries Policy, as a result 88% of EU stocks are now overfished (against a global average of 25%), and 30% are considered "outside safe biological limits". Catch limits and overexploitation will ensure higher prices for fishmeal based products (baits). This will impact mostly on existing bait manufacturers who use fishmeal based baits – i.e. our competitors. There are four key organisations involved in assessing/reporting on the status of feed fish stocks. These are: A. The UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) B. The International Council for the Exploration of the Seas (ICES) C. IMARPE in Peru D. IFOP in Chile --------------------------- Fishmeal production continues to decline Total fishmeal production by the five major producers declined in 2009, continuing a trend started some years ago. Chile is the only country reporting any increase in production, while all others reported lower outputs. Prices have started to move upwards since some months now, and further price increases are likely. China continues to buy huge quantities of fishmeal more than 50% of total fishmeal exports and its strong demand is the reason for the present price hike. --------------------------
Berty on 18/06/2011 20:18:43
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The Chinese are buying up a lot of important comodities i hear.......... I think Nostradamus prediticted that a yellow race would dominate the world............the sad thing is that fishmeal is an awesome fish catcher.
MarkTodd on 18/06/2011 21:48:25
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I tried poultry meal a couple of years ago instead of fishmeal. the results were very favourable. At the moment I use little of either. A good informative article which I thoroughly enjoyed reading.
the indifferent crucian on 19/06/2011 06:36:43
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Purely as an aside, I think fishmeal is used more than people realise. I can smell it in cheap poultry, eggs and bacon and believe it is being used as a cheap food source in economy farming. It seems since giving up cigarettes some years ago, I have developed a very acute sense of smell. It can only be such a cheap source of protein if it is 'harvested' in huge quantities and it simply must be affecting the ecological balance of the oceans, in ways we are perhaps not yet aware off. If mankind isn't dumping his rubbish in the oceans, it seems he is stripping them of what they do have left. And we all know what happened last time man fed 'animal' protein to another animal in an unatural way...BSE! Which we managed to export around theWorld. A thought-provoking article, Ian. Bravo!
jimmy crackedcorn on 21/06/2011 23:53:32
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Good article. It's something I've wrestled with for a while. I'm trying to use less and use corn and hemp instead but if you get the chance for a couple of hours it's all a bit of a faff compared with the ease of pellets. Having said that is corn any more ecological ? I'm sure large chunks of the third world would appreciate my tin of corn more than a bag of skimmers would. Probably going to get some csl, bloodworm or hemp pellets instead for the rest of the year. I hope they work or I'll be eyeing up the skrettings (which are low oil I think so not too bad) or try bread, which will limit me a bit on my local haunts.
Windy on 22/06/2011 00:30:32
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I must confess to have a somewhat ambivalent view about the way in which the sea is being strip mined for what little remains by way of sand eels and smaller to fuel our demand for fertilisers, and to a much lesser extent and volume, pellets. Remove the sand eels, diminish the numbers of the mackerel and other small fish that prey upon them and in turn are preyed upon by the likes of Cormorants.... and then is it any surprise that the Black Death turns inland to obtain a replacement source of the food we have stolen from them ? Tricky one that. I loathe cormorants and the damage that they have done to fisheries and our rivers as much as anyone, but on the other hand.... we pinched their natural food first. If pellets were banned generally tomorrow would we be short of other effective baits ? I think not. And the point about rancid oils, well taken. I had some pellets I kept for nearly three years (donkey chokers for the Catfish fish-ins) that must have been rancid. But I had no idea that they might be, or that they could be. And in the process not just poisoning the water but costing me bites ! I'm not one for bans, live and let live, but as a personal choice I think I will be laying off bulk pellets for the future.
nigelmoors on 23/06/2011 11:36:55
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Interesting article with thought provoking content. Is that fact that pellets go 'rancid'? I don't throw away pellets from the previous seasons generally because I've trusted my sealable tubs to keep them so-say fresh. This week I tackled up at a nearby stillwater and chucked out a 14mm pellet from last season and a sodding great carp tore off with it before it hit bottom. Did it have time to detect if it were rancid taking the bait so quickly or should I trust that the fish still thought it was viable and non-harmful? As with most facets of our sport it's a case of everyone should do things in moderation. I use pellets but not many using to supplement other feed like groundbait, hemp and naturals. The biggest worry by far is the effect this all has on the source. Should we all boycott the use of them? Would the industry care or the providers to the industry notice given that the angling bait side of the fishmeal business is such a small one. Not everyone who has allowed themselves to believe that they are now great anglers by using pellets would be prepared to stop on any grounds I feel.
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 23/06/2011 12:08:40
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Great start Ian:mad: The editor of a leadign web site says pellets kill fish - why not write one on "Fish die when caught once" - then write yor resignation Just what we need more ammo for the antis:omg:
steph mckenzie on 23/06/2011 13:00:01
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Fishing with Peanuts or other Pulses or Particle baits, can kill fish, does that mean that we shouldn't write about it and make fishermen and others aware of the dangers ? It's about educating people so that people make the right choices and use baits and equipment responsibly, not shying away from it.
Peter Jacobs on 23/06/2011 13:17:03
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It's about educating people so that people make the right choices and use baits and equipment responsibly, not shying away from it. Well said!
itsfishingnotcatching on 23/06/2011 13:29:08
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Fishing with Peanuts or other Pulses or Particle baits, can kill fish, does that mean that we shouldn't write about it and make fishermen and others aware of the dangers ? It's about educating people so that people make the right choices and use baits and equipment responsibly, not shying away from it. Perhaps we should be thankful that, in the main, it is the uneducated angler who is least likely to use the river or canal, preferring the easier option of the commercial fishery. If this was not the case then there would no threads on bait bans or discussions on just what levels of groundbait are justified. The next step may be to put limits on tackle used and prevent the damage done to fish when hauled to the bank with heavy weight tackle. It's one thing to fish for 30+ lb fish on 20lb line but do we need to couple this with 3lb TC rods on commercials where the fish barely reach double figures?
Lord Paul of Sheffield on 23/06/2011 13:33:22
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Fishing with Peanuts or other Pulses or Particle baits, can kill fish, does that mean that we shouldn't write about it and make fishermen and others aware of the dangers ? It's about educating people so that people make the right choices and use baits and equipment responsibly, not shying away from it. SV Get out of the swim - that bait was for Ian to finally make a post on the forum:eek:
steph mckenzie on 23/06/2011 15:24:23
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ok ......... i'm not welcome eh, i'll go skulk elsewhere then "bleeding favourtism" it is ;)
Simon K on 24/06/2011 20:22:56
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Excellent article and about time someone with some brains stood up and unreservedly spoke their mind on the subject. I stopped buying and using pellet a couple of seasons ago, (only ever used a couple of K a season as "stocking filler" anyhow) and have seen a number of articles questioning their negative effect on fish and fishing. Good rant, Ian. Keep it up.
Bob Hornegold on 24/06/2011 20:45:39
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Simon, You might be right, you might be wrong !! This is an old argument re hashed, Did we not read a lot about, High Oil content of Boilies some years ago and the additives put in some boilies, Digest-aid ( M-Tech), so that it past through the fishes system quickly in cold weather ? Pellet are a Cheap and Cheerful Bait, that catch fish, their harmful effects are of No Interest to the marority of Barbel and Chub Anglers who use them in the winter. It's a bit like the use of Milk Protien baits, that are hard to digest in winter, but if you suggest the use of Pre-Digested Milks, most Barbel angler would quake at the cost !! Bob
Simon K on 24/06/2011 20:57:30
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There may be truth in what you say, Mr Bob. Some (or many?) of these profligate users of "cheap and cheerful" pellets wouldn't be the same users that are also always so concerned about fish welfare in other areas would they? As a character in Apocalypse Now says: "We chop em in half with a machine gun and then offer a band-aid".
geoffmaynard on 26/06/2011 13:27:28
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All things in moderation is my mantra. I have no problems with using rancid pellets either - any more than Tibetans have with using tsampa. I love nice oily pellets but rarely use more than a pint or two per session. What does bother me is that it takes about 10lb of fish to make 1 lb of pellets, or some stupid figure like that.
jimmy crackedcorn on 26/06/2011 21:12:13
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Rather than trawling for sand eels it would be an idea to start taking out (if they don't already) Asian carp in states. There was a programme on discovery detailing there impact (including 30lb fish smashing into boat users - I'm sure it's on YouTube ) So yeah, pulp pests or even deformed stock fish (at farm level) that don't make the grade rather than integral parts of the food chain.
dannytaylor on 05/07/2011 14:18:18
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According to todays anglers mail, the global price of fishmeal is soaring and as a result the price of Halibut pellets are likely to rise by 50%, this maybe music to welch's ears, as its likely that less pellet will go into our waters, on the flipside non-sponsered "everyday" anglers are going to start to struggle to pay for baits like these.
laguna on 06/07/2011 00:22:03
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the global price of fishmeal is soaring and as a result the price of Halibut pellets are likely to rise by 50% As predicted..... unfortunately for those who buy them.
cg74 on 10/07/2011 18:32:16
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A thought provoking article but severely lacking in evidence by way of figures. Ian also puts all the blame on the angler but how about the bait manufacturers being more responsible/accountable. As is found with animal feed and the human food industries.... Full ingredient declaration with traceability and a nutritional profile wouldn't go amiss either. If I buy a sack of Skretting's Trout pellets from my local agricultural feed supplier, all that info is on offer. Yet I buy a bag of Dynamite Baits Halibut pellets from my local dealer, nothing, a big fat nothing!! Another one; boilies Nash, Richworth etc etc, sales spiel goes; "buy ours, we only use the finest ingredients and produce baits of the greatest nutritional value." Well prove it, it costs about very little to analyse the nutritional profile of a food item and I hope they know what they're putting in their baits??
bigchub on 10/07/2011 21:55:22
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Simon, Did we not read a lot about, High Oil content of Boilies some years ago and the additives put in some boilies, Digest-aid ( M-Tech), so that it past through the fishes system quickly in cold weather ? Bob Nutrabaits range of Addits are also intended to do the same thing as the digest-aid. Quite a few anglers I know use the Addits in their milk protein baits in winter with Hi-Nu-Val being the most popular base mix for adding it to in winter. Never did get hold of any digest-aid and wish I had of done.


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