 Claudia , there is also a device caused a sidewinder which can clip on almost any rod , which is like a quivertip but fits onto the rod near the reel. This is fished with the rod pointing straight out. It also has the advantage of being removeable . Could this be another option.... Sidewinder
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 Yes Claudia, unless there is a lot of water tow/drift which sometimes can be counteracted with a bit of lead wire round the tip. you can also use a swingtip with a stiff piece of bent rubber tube to counter the wind and drift; But once the tow gets too bad then its time to revert to the sidewinder or quiver. The swing tip can be a great method on the right day and Ive had some good days after Tench and Bream using it. Tight lines
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 Well to be honest I don't know Paul, I can see the advantage of having the quiver tip effect on a heavier/stiffer rod but would it be as sensitive as a swinger tip?
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 Ive still got my bit of silver foil somewhere
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Thanks Keith and all.......I think I'm starting to understand, swinger tip if the conditions are right, not to blowy and not too much tow, sidewinder is a kind of quiver, although to be honest, I can't see the different in using either a quiver or side winder, except that I don't have to set my rod side ways......I asume the side winder was an early invention before the quiver tips?
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We used to have sidewinders (but called butt indicators) back in the 60s and one of the main advantage was that you didnt have to break down your end tackle to re-thread the line when you decided to use one (or decided to remove one). they were not as good as the modern ones but to be honest I dont think they are as good for shy sensitive biting fish as the line has to go through most of the rod rings and in so doing reduces the amount of sensitivity. But at least you can still point the rod at the end tackle and therefore use it in tight swims. so it still has its uses.
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Butt indicator?....simular to modern bite indicator I guess, simular bite indication?
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Sort of but it was a thin length if fibreglass (or cane) that was attatched to the rod with a clip at one end and the other end was clipped onto the line. I think I remember it being called a 'Butt Bite indicator' or something similar.
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Swing tips used to be the norm unless you only had a float rod then it was a butt indicator if you were posh or tin foil or a dough ball if you bought ten pees worth of maggies.
What ever happened to the Silstar eleven foot screw end eye model rods ,they were specimen hunters tackle .
Does anyone of you wise old Fisher Fellows know the test curve of the said model?
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Although you can fish a swingtip with your rod pointing at your end tackle in tight swims; it is more often fished with the rod pointing at a slight angle to your end tackle; so that you can see movements on the swingtip more clearly, (the rod can obscure your view of the swingtip sometimes when pointing the rod at your end tackle).
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 If conditions allowed and I was using a marker board my rod would be positioned parallel to the river. However, the last time I had them out on the Lancaster canal I sat well back from the edge with the rods pointing more or less across the canal and the swing tip about an inch below the surface to avoid the surface weed carried by the tow on the canal. Early on in the season tench bites generally take your rod in but by mid summer bites can be very tentative and this is were the swing tip comes into its own. Not quite as good as float fishing but great if its very windy etc.
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 I've just dug out a rod I had forgotten about. I found it in a building that was about to be knocked down where I was working. A Shimano Powrloop Ledger 106, 10.5 foot, (3.20m) 3 sections with a screw tip ring and full cork handle. I might give it a run out one day.
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 you can also make a swing tip rod without fitting a screw in end eye if you have a quiver tip rod with push in quivers. just get an insert which will fit where the normal quiver pushes in then fit the rubber onto the end of that .
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