Oh dear Jason, for the simple minded an explanation is always required.

Canooists want free & unfettered access to all rivers all year....right

If we give up the close season, which is supposed to be for spawning.

(although some will argue black is white,it isn't)

We may as well give up any hope of gaining any public, or politicians support,that anglers are conservationists and allow free unfettered access to the rivers for canooists.

 Just remember, at one way or another anglers pay for their access.

Is that simple enough, even for you?

arre canoeists banned from rivers during the closed season fred.

the answer is NO fred incase your brain will not comprehend the concept your argument is yet more irrelevant bullshit.

canoeists have nothing at all to do with the closed season and as you will notice they are already winning their fight so despite the fact that you don't fish rivers, they will still be on them.

Canooists do not have unrestricted access to rivers at present.

They will, if people like you give in to their demands.

Anglers only weapon in the fight to stop them, is the view that we care about conservation, you obviously don't , so no point in debating it with you, is there?

The close season will continue, and will exist long after you and I have gone.

Just a question: arent the canooists wanting to have access all year round? so what has their access case got to do with whether or not we have a closed season or not?

We want to stop them paddling on rivers (without having to get permission) throughout the whole year and not just through the closed season. don't we?

A lot of us don't mind whether we have a closed season or not as long as special cases are protected at spawning time where deemed neccesary. (both still and running water not just one type of water).

Some rivers and stillwaters have boating, swimming, canoeing, swimming-dogs, walkers, runners, picnickers, Bird watchers, Biking etc. so they are hardly going to be affected that much by anglers staying away or not staying away; however on some smaller tributaries and stillwaters fishing may have more of an effect on spawning and wildlife and may possibly need a period of peace and regeneration in the spring.

But to say that the cannooists have the remotest connection with whether we have a closed season on rivers or not is stretching it a bit surely. sounds like clutching at straws to me. (unless you want to maintain a presence on the river to keep them off).

Likewise I don't think that some rivers are anymore a special case than some stillwaters are, except that on some rivers the fish can't escape the events on the banks wheras on lakes they can swim away from the banks to escape the fray. but even that smells a bit of clutchng at straws.

This argument has been going on for a long time, and as the recent vote on fishing magic showed the opinions are around 50% each way. and each year the number of anglers against the current form of the closed season seems to gets more and more, but Hey it might even swing the other way next year who knows. meanwhile lets all makeup and sheath our swords and go fishing for another year.

Keith re. your first sentence I refer you to the above, but set it out below.

If we give up the close season, which is supposed to be for spawning.

(although some will argue black is white,it isn't)

We may as well give up any hope of gaining any public, or politicians support,that anglers are conservationists and allow free unfettered access to the rivers for canooists.

 I am not saying stop them only in the close season, I'm saying if we give up the close season, we do not have a leg to stand on, if we plead that anglers are the guardians of the waterways.

".................or not as long as special cases are protected at spawning time where deemed neccesary."

Ah but Keith, as far as I am aware, there are no special cases, and the canooists want free unfettered,river access.

Not stillwaters!!!

Keith M (ACA) wrote (see)

Just a question: arent the canooists wanting to have access all year round? so what has their access case got to do with whether or not we have a closed season or not?

exactly the same ammount as it has to do with the speed limit on the m4.

and what's more if fred and his intelect absent ilk, continue their current stance to canoeists, they will find all of the canoeists in the anti lobby once the animal rights lot have finished with shooting.

for waht better way to deal with obstructive anglers, who refuse to share access than to support the people who want it banned, get the anglers out the way and then deal with land owners who now want the canoeists money on a much stronger footing.

You can't think around a subject can you Jason, and there was me thinking you had more common sense.Typical overeducated single mindedness approach to life!!

Nobody is talking about not sharing access.I am talking about not allowing them free unfettered access.

Anglers haven't got that, have they?

The mind boggles sometimes about what education does to some people, it closes their minds.

Life is not black & white!

Keith M (ACA) wrote (see)

Some rivers and stillwaters have boating, swimming, canoeing, swimming-dogs, walkers, runners, picnickers, Bird watchers, Biking etc. so they are hardly going to be affected that much by anglers staying away or not staying away; however on some smaller tributaries and stillwaters fishing may have more of an effect on spawning and wildlife and may possibly need a period of peace and regeneration in the spring.

and what better way to prove we care about the fish than to get off the banks and start wading about in the shallows fishing for salmon and trout, right at this time of the year.

I've come up with an idea that will make me a fortune. In fact I'm going to ask the Dragons for a bit of finanacial backing because they know a sure-fire winner when they see one.

I'm going to have 5,000 badges printed and sell them at £2 a pop...

"I've been patronised by Fred B"

The next 5,000 will say...

"Me too"

Reckon most of them will fly off the shelves and there will always be a ready supply of new customers, don't you?

Bob Roberts wrote (see)

I've come up with an idea that will make me a fortune. In fact I'm going to ask the Dragons for a bit of finanacial backing because they know a sure-fire winner when they see one.

I'm going to have 5,000 badges printed and sell them at £2 a pop...

"I've been patronised by Fred B"

The next 5,000 will say...

"Me too"

Reckon most of them will fly off the shelves and there will always be a ready supply of new customers, don't you?

LMFAO.....

Fred,

Might be before your time,but each year a Canoe Club used to have a week at Adams Mill, never a problem.

All,

The boats on our rivers dont stop for the close season do they?

i dont care who is using the rivers, and there are plenty that do and they dont pay, Some Anglers for one.

Who else is this sport going to try and stop? we dont own the rivers.

Bob,

You could also make a Badge saying, Secret Handshake, close season here.

Now you would sell plenty of them, as they seem to have made up the minds of all Anglers.

They can have all the time they like, on  any river Ray, provided they pay for  the right.

As to your comments about close season access, i refer you to the above.

It seems to me some people only read the last post!

Me patronising Bob?

I have a policy, of not giving anybody anything, they've not given to me first.

You mean you don't even read your own nonesense then?

I'll have one of each, I'm surprised you need financing though!

I wasn't aware you spent money!

I seem to remember your dog followed you before!

Fred,

I know what you are saying about the close season, but its true boats dont stop for the close season on rivers, only anglers do that.

As i see it, if the canoes get access during the close season, then theres no reason why anglers should keep the close season. We pay for our fishing, but at the same time we pay not to fish on the rivers for 3 months. 

Now that I could well agree with, Ray.

I'll have to think about it though.

My first thought is, if that happens even Bob will live to see the season change!

hahaha.

Bob; I see that you,re hard-up at the moment.

Now how would you like to come up here and fish a Loch all to our self's, and I,ll pay for the permits and all the bait plus the boat, we will have a wonderful time together,and I,ll even pay for all the meals, Now Bob how can you resist this once in a life time offer.

And I,ll tell you a few ways of making money.

Jimmy.

Petrol whip round needed for 2bobs and he will go to Scotland.

I throw a gallon in.