I live near birmingham, they have been on the canals at night with nets and where caught on a dinghy with a net on one pool, police where called but a waste of time calling them, police here have orders not to arrest them because it's to costly getting an interpreter. some lads caught 2 and gave them a kicking the police soon turned up when the illegals phoned them .
I cant see any imigrants in your link ,or anybody fighting with them etc..
could have been someone else to blame?
I know from WAA bailif a story when old fisherman phone the bailif and told him to go and see the nets put by poles on one of the WAA waters.Anyway the bailif arrived with his mate to see what is happening and they found old hay net in the water that been there for years, they put this to purefy water or somethink like that.
The old man was very quick to tell everyone about polish people netting in the water,which was just a bad mistake.There is quite a few stories like that floting arround.Look at the polution that kill the fish KHV etc this is a real problem that no one can deny?
There are certainly some documented instances of this happening, but is it as widespread as what people are saying, and if so, done by whom?
As Nick points out, it was apparently the norm to carry a knife for gutting fish in yorkshire, so is it then fair to assume that english people are just as, if not even more responsible, possibly just not as high profile and that it is simply just the keyboard warriors stirring anti east european feeling again?
One thing I have noticed on this and similar subjects, those areas with a real problem, get out and sort it through education and action, whereas it seems others ..... well you know!
Lets be honest we never had this problem 5/10 years ago not to my knowledge anyway, I had an old mate who took the odd eel but never fish.
I can understand Wiktor being in denial I suppose we would be, if in another country, Englishmen where being blamed for something or other, after all, we always defend our own.
Fish thieves originate from all over. the vast bulk of prosecutions and convictions for this is on criminals of UK extraction. (Ask the EA for the details).
The growth of commercial fisheries - not just pastie ponds but also the "commercial" specimen carp lakes has created a huge market for fish -particulalry carp. Large carp are extremely expensive to stock. Where there is a demand - there is a supply - mostly legal but where large sums are involved - increasingly illegal.
No doubt there are thieves of other national identities.
Those signs are information and educational signs designed to help folk from other ethnicities understand the legal and cultural differences. DO NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE ALL LEGALLY ENTITLED TO TAKE UP TO TWO FISH (something I wasn't aware of until these endless threads came on board! )
Wiktor is not, nor has he ever been, in denial. If I was Wiktor I would be absolutely furious at the tone and (consciously or unconsciously) implication of some of these posts. His continued reason and good nature in responding to these posts is testament to somebody who is clearly an extremely good bloke...and who has acted postively with his work in North Wales and other activities. He is positively addressing the issues, as are other members such as Baz and Donald Bain.
There has been a large population of Eastern European origin based in the UK throughout the 20th century. They came here because they were fleeing death and terror from a succession of murderous regimes. We have welcomed these people and the vast majority have gone on to make great contributions to our society. Those whose tradition was to consume freshwater fish have continued to do so throughout the last 100 years + (as have many country folk of UK origin)- and nobody has blinked an eyelid.
Now that criminal gangs, the vast majority of those convicted being good British boys and girls, are taking their disgusting advantage of the criminal market -we look (as usual) for the scapegoat - and look who gets it in the neck!!
(Mind you perhaps we should never forgive those Eastern Europeans for inflicting Michael Howard on us ....on the other hand we got Helen Mirren...swings and roundabouts I suppose)
Got to say the "quotes" from the FACT spokesperson in the two articles covering the one story weren't helpful ..however having dealt with local press for many,many years I know how quotes are "extracted" from longer interviews. And as I've said the Central and Eastern European and Jewish origin population have been eating carp and pike around the Chrsitmas period for over a hundred years - its only recently suddenly become an issue ...just when freedom to work through the EU has emerged...what a coincidence.
My next door neighbour is half Yank/half German - can anybody tell me where I can get a warning sign telling her not to take fish AND not to use a bow and arrow to catch them? I'll ask her husband to make doubly sure she uses Morrisons as usual to supply her with the carp this year - just in case she's thinking of doing anythng illegal ...she is central European you know!
"DO NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE ALL LEGALLY ENTITLED TO TAKE UP TO TWO FISH (something I wasn't aware of until these endless threads came on board! )"
Paul That statement isn't universal!
If the water being fished is landlocked (Pool, pond, res, canal, lake, etc) the fish are owned by the landowner, not the club who lease the water. To take fish from any landlocked water without the owners consent is theft and falls under the Theft Act and a criminal offence.
The rivers on the other hand and the fish in them are classed in law as wild creatures and owned by no one, but you do need the landowners permission to fish there and to take fish from their land, even though they are wild creatures.
It is only permissible where EA by-laws allow and the landowner gives their consent. Not all EA regional by-laws allow the taking of two fish either.
Whilst I agree with you about the undertones of this thread, which I find reprehensible, I would point out that we have had a legal influx of New EU citizens of 1/2 million since the expansion of the EU. And with that they have fetched their cultural culinary ways with them. This whether you chose to acknowledge it or not has put pressure on our coarse fish stocks nationally. One of the regions that is suffering particularly badly is East Anglia. And the first prosecution for illegally fishing/taking fish has happened in that region.
Whilst you are correct about the signs, and I was party to some of the discussions about them, being designed for educational purposes they were instigated on hard evidence of it happening by New European migrants.
Thanks for that "Bad One" - I assumed that if waters were privately owned the owners rules apply.
Old Issac Walton would be in a lot of hot water these days eh!
Not disagreeing with you over the "influx" but now more are leaving than coming in...projections suggest we will back to pre "influx" levels by the end of 2009 - as I said earlier the wage rates and standards of living in many of the new EU states are now comparable or better than ours -so they are happily leaving to return to family and homeland. (Which has caused a number of Kent fruit farmers to get in to real financial trouble this summer as they have no labour to bring in the crop. I was talking to my old man about this (he still lives in kent)cos when I was a student I worked at Mecca Bingo in the evenings and picked fruit and hops during the days to earn money during the vacation -apparently they cannot get enough UK students to do the work - they find it too hard!!!! Nuff said!)
I have read the material about the appalling case - no justification about what they did -but as yet this seems to be the only case where prosecutions have taken place. Now I have stated elsewhere that trying to get a prosecution on anything these days can be a tad difficult but even so -given certain elements of the medias joy at any opportunity to rubbish a Rumanian (and the P.R. department of a certain political "party" -something like the Basically Nazi Party- happily feeding muck to the tabloids) you would have thought more would have come to light!
I don't deny it goes on - I do think that in comparison to the theft and damage caused by good old British criminals to our fish stocks (including those noble types who drain their waste into our water courses - causing far greater fish losses than any passing Bulgar) - things can get a tad out of proportion
This is our problem and maybe somethik out of this discussion could come out as positive.I recently started fishing club in my small town which have 17 members 2 of them are polish,1 dutchand mixture of welsh and eanglish.This is my way of getting a message through and incurage people to catch and relise fish.If any of you want to join the "Ruthin and district comunity fishing club "is very welcome.Join in and bring your experiances,knowlage and perhaps some other ideas on how we can tackle the problem of fish taking.I`m not denying there is a problem I just dont like some brits standing on high grounds and blame other nations for all the the bad stuff that is currently happening.We all have to juge the plus and minus in any sytuacion and I know this country is gaining much more positive then negative from being open minded and dinamic .It works well for brits(i`m not just saing this becouse I`m from poland) as poshPaul said but also good for imigrants.I`m not that old and remember only 20 odd years ago when poland was in the state of the war.Tanks and soldiers were on the streets of poland,killing each other .Russia was exploiting poland for very long time,my father work in a factory where they make components for big generators and when there was order from russia all the stuff was sent there for nothing!Country was ruin by comunist dictators.And in between all this were humans like you and me just traing to get some leaving.It was a Very hard life.If you havent been there you may not understand what I`m talking about.All this was very real not some news on tv chanel. When they droped some oranges or banans in the veg shop you have to keu for long time to get any.comfort of leaving in poland improved drastically but is still much harder then here.You chaps have to start upriciate your freedom,comfort and prosperitee.I`m sorry to be hard on you but when they scare you chaps with this credit crunch and all sort of bulloks,it makes me mad.Poverty? what poverty?there are everywhere druggies alkies ,weak people that need our help,this is nothink compare to most countries in the world!You got problem with fish thieft,get orgenised make couple of meeting ,create petition and change the law.Just stop moning and being abusive.Action (and I dont mean fighting) is the thing.If you got idea how you could use my polish lounguge to promote catch and relise please,please let me know.I will be very happy to help.
Forgive my grammar,have not got any more enargy to spend ages to restructure my words. My ABC still not working any idea how to fix it?
i can't help with your ABC Viktor, but what you have written is powerfull, and moving, i wish you luck with your club,and broadening the point of view of the bigot's,which is where the racism stem's from.
(And my ABC hasn't been working for days...I have emailed magicalia but had no reply - "losing" Graham and Monicaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa seems to have hit them hard!)
some lads caught 2 and gave them a kicking the police soon turned up when the illegals phoned them .
