in the end i had to make a quick decision as i was pushed for time(i had my last day of holiday for a fish booked).suprised myself as the reel i liked the feel of the most was an ultima outrunner.its a bit smaller than my 6010s,with a reel old school look to it.been away from buying tackle for a few years and couldnt remember if they are well established in other areas of fishing,and what there reputation was like.well the guy who sold them to me is a real diamonde so if i do have problems,i can get them replaced.had 7 carp between 8 and 11 pound from the river adur in sussex,never fished it before and i've never felt carp go like they did(it floods alot,plus sections are tidle).the reels were ace,front adjusting drag was excellent and with the alluminium spool slowely chimeing as line peeled off,they were all i hoped for.not monsters but at only a rod and a half length accross,and the densest of lilly pads for the fish to rip through,it was an eventfull day,which the reels did fantasticly well to cope with.45 kwid each.