 Hello All. Made some cheese paste about a year ago, its been in freezer ever since, took some on river with me Saturday, but when it had thawed out its a bit sloppy, all over my hands, i thought it should be pretty dry to touch, what does anyone suggest i use to make it more firm, more pastry or more cheese, probably my fault i have been adding blue cheese flavoring every so often, it did stay on the hook when cast, just it was all over my hands. Pete
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 What about taking away the stickyness with a tiny bit of wholemeal flour or boilie mix powder? or Soya powder? Or makng some fresh stuff?
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| Edited: 19/11/07 09:26 |
 Peter, it could be that the paste has taken on moisture as it thawed, also that the ingreadients in the original pastry have broken down, that includes the flour. This may be worth a try!!!! put in Improve your chub fishing with matt hayes on YouTube, they make some cheese paste in a different way, dont know if it will be any more freeze thaw stable....but its an interesting method.
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 if you still have it,ground up some liquidised bread and add untill consistancy is right .
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Thanks All, will try some bread, not throwing it away, smell to disgusting, also in Ted Carters to day, when just happened to be on the phone to Richworths, and they suggested using icing sugar, interesting Hmmmm. Pete 
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| Edited: 20/11/07 07:08 |
 Pete, will contact you later with a recipe that has never let me down and doesn't fail to get the attention of a chub in the location. Go to go to work j
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Cheers JK, Thats very good of you, can't wait to hear from you. pete
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Gutted tried sending a message but didn't sign on!dooh I will try again. I don't think these receipes are any secrets but they work! I use them down a small predominately chub filled river. Particulalry in the colder weather. I use them in the chub holes it always seems to have the knack of pulling out the bigger fish. I have experimented with various base mixes but found the best and most reliable to be puff pastry. This can be used forever untill you run out, it copes fine with defrosting,re-freezing etc etc infact probably gets better with age and smells stronger. Ingredients- puff pastry, stilton/blue cheese (i usually use rosenburg), Bait colouring (powder variety - usually red). Roll out the pastry and grate the stilton on top, add the colouring and mix really well. Knedd together until the colouring is consistent through the whole paste (don't use to much colouring it is very strong). I usually mix a small amount without the colouring as an alternative. I have also used garlic before which works well, something like lazy garlic in a jar mixed in. I recently saw a mix that i haven't used yet, which is basically the same as above pastry, stilton, mature cheddar and marmite. Roll the pastry, spread loads of marmite on top add the cheeses and mix well, again you could also use colouring. There is plenty of room for experimenting, but probably better not to use too many strong flavours. Try it pete in one of your local chub holes and see what happens.j
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basically whats needed is a binding agent to reconstitute the mass,icing sugar would set in the cold but might just wash out again ,arrowroot or corn flour or digestive buscuits or bread will soak up the liquidfied mass making it firmer ,bread is best as it will go doughy & will bulk it out ,but can go rather hard in freezing conditions in the water (stays on the hook well) another thing to try is cheese sause granules either ground up or as they are but f you want something different add gelotine to it or egg whites ! you have to chance to experiment a little & come up with something new !
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We used to have some good results in the winter for chub on the Kennet using a 'strong cheese'/bread paste using raw onion (liquidised) and the stonger the onion flavour the better it was.
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Thanks all, plenty ideas to have a go at, Pete
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Hi all, I have decided on using bread crumbs, and its turned out OK, dried it up perfectly, tell you what though, it doesn't half stink, and i have kept all ball of it back, going to try some different things, garlic,
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| Edited: 24/11/07 11:22 |
 JK thanks for the tips there on cheese paste i have tried my own and it simply doesn't work! I shall make some like you say and have a go with that
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Hi Wendy. Try JK mix, really works and comes out OK, it does take a lot of kneading to get the right consistency, but well worth in the end. Pete
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 Aaah, but Pete - have you been out on the banks with it yet Funnily enough, I go through virtually the same process as JK for my cheese paste mix...but use Danish Blue and extra mature cheddar instead of Stilton.....(and add garlic granules before kneading) Lovely chubbly.
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Yes i have, but not having much success, but i think that's down to me, went on Ribble other night, had 6 very good bites, on all 6, the rod bent right over, felt the fish on for second or two then it went slack missed everyone, its either me using to big of a piece, or i don't know, but not giving up on paste.
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Pete make sure you aren't using to big a piece and use a big enough hook. The paste shouldn't be too stiff. The fact that you have had 6 good bites indicates it's potential. Make sure they aren't line bites, but by the sound of the rod they weren't! I have never thought about hair rigging it but could but worth a look if missed bites continue. j
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J. keep thinking about that night, i never had a touch till it went dark, i felt resistance and could feel the fish on, but only for a few seconds, at first i put it down to using to big of a hook size 6, but you say make sure the hooks big enough, also was wondering if the hook had buried it self in paste, i just moulded it round making sure there was plenty hook showing, and about a cherry size piece,
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 Use a paste spring at mould the bulk of the paste around that. OR Make a softer mix so that the hook is easily pulled through it on the strike.
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your hook should be able to pull through the paste ,if not your paste is too firm .add some oil .I use a tin of tuna in oil ,drain the oil off and use that a few drops at a time and need in (the tuna is pickled & used in sandwiches or in a fish paste) . A good way of mounting your paste (especially softer mixes) is to hair rig a cube of crust then mould the cheese paste behind this and onto the hook .As So
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