Fox vs. Wychwood

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Fox Royale 1.75lb Specialist Barbel Rod vs. Wychwood Solace Classic 1.75lb Specimen Barbel...........

To use on a mid size river (mid Severn and W Avon).

Both exactly the same price in Climax, so what do you think as I'm torn between the two?
 

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Evening, for such a straightforward question I'm surprised you haven't had a single reply yet.
As I have had no experience myself with either of these rods I can't say either way - but what I can recommend are Greys Prodigy Barbel rods.
Always popping up on Ebay.
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Agree with Belsh, have a pair of Greys Prodigy Barbel, there is no way I would consider any of the other offerings.
 

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... so what do you think as I'm torn between the two?

The only difference I can see between them is that the W-wood has braid-friendly rings and a keeper ring - the Fox has neither - problem solved! ;):)
 

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If you can, go and pick them up and decide for yourself. Different people have different ideas of what constitutes a good rod and action. Those ideas may not coincide with yours, even if everyone said buy x over y. As an example, I know plenty of people that like Greys barbel rods. Others think them very soft for their given ratings and far too through actioned. I have quite a few different barbel rods, including Greys, to compare. I can understand entirely why people think that. Some people just prefer a stiffer more tippy action.

I can't speak for those particular models you've given as options as I've not handled them. However, I have used and handled previous incarnations from both brands. Both were decent enough rods for the money without being outstanding. I doubt these two will be any different.

I definitely wouldn't select a rod based on whether it had a hook keeper or not, way down the priorities list. Besides, a butt ring makes a perfectly good hook keeper. I'd also not worry about the blurb failing to mention the rings being braid compatible. There's barely a rod ring made these days that isn't up to the demands of braid, even the really cheap stuff. Not like some of the Swiss cheese offerings of twenty to thirty years ago. Fox may not specifically say that their SLIK rings are braid friendly. However, they use variations of them on all their rods, and have done for a few years now. I've used Fox rods with their SLIK rings with braid and had no issues whatsoever.
 

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I definitely wouldn't select a rod based on whether it had a hook keeper or not, way down the priorities list. Besides, a butt ring makes a perfectly good hook keeper. I'd also not worry about the blurb failing to mention the rings being braid compatible. ........

Sam is of course quite correct in saying that the only way to decide is to handle the rods - side by side - and make your mind up that way - one of the hitches with buying goods over t'Interweb!
You do have to wonder though that if their USPs are so trivial, why the manufacturers even bother to add them on! :eek:mg:
 

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Rods are very personal. I dislike Greys rods immensely, especially the Prodigy range.

The Fox Royale is a nice rod, perhaps slightly over priced, but well built and nicely finished. The Slik rings are "braid friendly". I wouldn't be surprised if it shared a similar blank to the Wychwood.

Go an have a waggle.
 

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You do have to wonder though that if their USPs are so trivial, why the manufacturers even bother to add them on! :eek:mg:

When it comes to braid use, we are far enough down the line that I suspect that most of the specialist angling manufacturers are pretty much assuming braid compatibility as a given.

As for keeper rings, I know a lot of folks like them. However, plenty don't (I've even seen some suggest that they can be dangerous, though I'm not quite sure how) and, despite the relatively insignificant cost of them, more than the odd custom rod builder won't fit them. For those that choose without considering it, if you miss a hook keeper, there are inexpensive aftermarket solutions.

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As an aside it always makes me wonder when folks are choosing a rod (blank) just how many manufacturers do they think there are in the Far East. A lot of blanks/rods are from a very small number of factories suggesting one factory produces for a number of companies.

If you can wait and spend a little time and effort try and hunt down a North Western blank built rod they are far superior to any japanese blank. Something such as the Big River or the Specialist.
 

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Thanks for the all-good advice chaps.

I was wondering if anyone had personal experience of the rods in question?

I've had Wychwood Rogues in the past and been happy enough but now it's time to change was just looking at options.

Personally I'm never been a fan of Grey's although know some people do rate them.

Cheers
 

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I have the 1.75lb Royale. Its a good rod, in that it does exactly what it needs to do. It will hurl a feeder or pva bag but bends nicely into the butt section. The finish is good for the money and I'm sure it will take a lot of abuse.
 

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I've not really thought about it, but I was casting out large sized 2oz feeders, I guess they must have weighed in about 4-5oz in total. It was more of an overhead lob rather than punch if that makes sense?

I guess I would choose the higher tc if distance was required.
 

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I personally would disagree with that.

You didn't say why.

I have had Fox and Wychwood rods, and wouldn't go back to either for a rod, not that good IMO, but thats just my Opinion.

If you pay that bit extra you will get a very good rod in the Middle Range of Free Spirit, you don't have to go to the top end of the range.

As the saying goes, you get what you pay for.
 

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I'd agree with Daydreamer in principle, but would rather, if your going to over- stress a rod and explode it, do it with a 70 notes rod than a 250 one. :eek:
The Torrix Barbel and other Harrisons I have I treat with the greatest respect because they don't for me come along that often. Just don't have the money to replace them if I do one in by being stupid with it. For that sort of work over-stressing I'll use the cheaper rods I have. Saving the good stuff for the times I know I'm not going to do that with them.
 
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You didn't say why.

I have had Fox and Wychwood rods, and wouldn't go back to either for a rod, not that good IMO, but thats just my Opinion.

If you pay that bit extra you will get a very good rod in the Middle Range of Free Spirit, you don't have to go to the top end of the range.

As the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Hi Ray, what i was getting at was, going upmarket can cost you twice the price or more, but not necessarily getting a rod that is twice as good if that makes sense.:)
 

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Hi Ray, what i was getting at was, going upmarket can cost you twice the price or more, but not necessarily getting a rod that is twice as good if that makes sense.:)

Hi Ken

I understand what your saying, but you don't have to go to the top end of the range.

I have yet to find a Fox or Wychwood rod at their top end of the market, that is anywhere near as good as a middle range Free Spirit, or lowest priced Harrison.

I had Harrison Torrix rods made to the spec i wanted, not cheap, but worth every penny as the built is so good. But i have to work my Ar*e off to buy them. Same with my Free Spirit Rods, top class.

Thats just me, and i understand that many anglers just can't afford these kind of rods, but if you can, well worth the extra IMO.
 

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Merit in both points of view IMO. I dont think you necessarily do get twice the rod if you pay twice the price...but you can get a significantly better rod for a bit more money. I've owned both Fox & Wychwood barbel rods in the past and didn't like either enough to keep them. The Fox was OK but the Wychwood [Rogue} just felt lifeless to me.

That said,they may well have come on a bit since as the Free Spirits have. When the FS first hit the market I was heavily into my barbel fishing but I thought they were ordinary. The latest FS rods though are very,very nice. Sadly...I rarely barbel fish now but if I did I'd certainly be looking at one of these not least because I know a bloke who could get me one a bit cheaper :D

Free Spirits are a bit pricey but they are very nice rods. The only FS rod I've got is a Hi-S Power Float and it really is a bit special.

Just a thought...what about the Daiwa Barbel rods ?
 
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