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denzinho

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I found access to a local weir which I am very Interested in fishing. Thing is I don't really know how to. I can't fish the part that's pictured below because it's owned by a food/drink outlet, I will be on the opposite bank.


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Its a big old beast, I have looked up bits and pieces on weirpool fishing but I usually like to have a plan before I go.

How would you fish it?
 

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First thing I'd do is chuck a heavy float around it with a plummet. Weirpools can be very shallow in places and very deep in others.
 

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Search back through older posts about weirs, there is some very good advice to be found.

Personally I would 'prospect' for bites, only after you have caught a few species (and lost a bit of tackle) will you find their preferred areas......and where the snags are.
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Alternatively...
You can always look in the comics, they have real 'experts' who regularly publish diagrams of rivers/weirs with fish indicators of where certain species lie :eek:mg:

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I've done some 'Weir' fishing in the past although mainly on wiers somewhat bigger than the one in your pic, (such as those found on the upper Thames) and most need to be fished in a slightly different way, mainly for reasons of access. It can be a lovely way to fish but expensive in lost tackle if, for example casting into the water immediately below the sill, although many chose to fish this way by sitting downstream and casting into this area.
Your weir is quite gentle as weirs go (having a minimal change in level) but it still produces 'white water' after a fashion and a place where good fish gather, even very close to the sill...In fact I recall a well known angler hoiking out an 11lb carp from such an area on a weirpool at Cookham, Berks some years ago using a form of upstream ledgering with a slack line !

As Peter says, you need to do a bit of casting around to get an idea of water depth, but in the areabelow the sill I would (a) do as I've suggested above and fish upstream toward the sill if the bottom is okay, (b) fish various distances downstream from the sill where the water calms down, with either float, trotted if you have depth, or light ledger if not (c) if the water coming over the sill produces 'slacks' or 'eddies' (below the sill and close to the bank) then a float trotted in these area can work, again if you have some depth, or even a freelined bait such a worms or meat dropped into the 'slack' areas always worth a go........

Personally I think weir fishing, possibly more than most ways of fishing, needs thinking outside the box, and unconventional methods such as freelining etc can, and have, produced really good fish such as chub, perch and barbel BUT you do need to work at it and try different methods and areas - more a 'roving' type of fishing perhaps.....even trying for roach (say) 50 yds downstream where bits of food may well have gathered in slower water...

Oh, and don't forget the area immediately above the weir which although tending to be on the shallow side can hold good roach........................light ledger with flake and a feeder can be good

To summarize; From your pic you look to have loads of options available to you, from fast water to slow, from white water to slacks, and how you get the best from them is really down to how much effort (and time!) you're prepared to put in.........like all form of fishing !!



ps Watching the water, walking the banks in the evening or early morning and asking around, may well turn out to be time well spent ..

Good luck !!


ps You may well get some clearer answers if you could state what sort of fish you're after and what you might expect to catch - big barbell, chub, roach?...do you have any idea of what can be caught? Have you talked to the local tackle shops?
The 'private fishing' sign in your pic suggests good fishing BUT can be deceiving !!!
 
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Thanks for your replies.

I don't know what can be caught there, I know years ago it had a good Barbel population and I imagine it will attract all species including any Barbel that may still be around. I haven't asked at the local tackle shop but will on the weekend to see what methods work etc.

Sounds quite specialized this weir fishing.
 

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Apart from the actual weir itself, you obviously have a considerable length of river, above and below, which must run for dozens for miles. Some of this, and maybe that IMMEDIATELY above and below, must, I imagine, be controlled by club(s) and if they are any sort of club they will surely have websites, and these should give a pretty good indication of what the water holds.
Some will just mention species, but many will give a list of the 'best' fish from a water (as a means of attracting new members) so it may be worth looking around for 'club' signs along the water...?

All of this is pretty standard stuff when looking at new waters so apologies if you have already done your homework......

Anyway, from your picture it does look a very nice bit of water, but until you know what it contains that's all it is, a 'nice' bit of water !!

Perhaps you would let us know how you get on, at some future date?
 

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Apart from the actual weir itself, you obviously have a considerable length of river, above and below, which must run for dozens for miles. Some of this, and maybe that IMMEDIATELY above and below, must, I imagine, be controlled by club(s) and if they are any sort of club they will surely have websites, and these should give a pretty good indication of what the water holds.
Some will just mention species, but many will give a list of the 'best' fish from a water (as a means of attracting new members) so it may be worth looking around for 'club' signs along the water...?

All of this is pretty standard stuff when looking at new waters so apologies if you have already done your homework......

Anyway, from your picture it does look a very nice bit of water, but until you know what it contains that's all it is, a 'nice' bit of water !!

Perhaps you would let us know how you get on, at some future date?

Thanks Tee-Cee for the sound advise. I am actually part of the club that owns several stretches of this River (Avon).

There are no signs and the club Doesn't own the weir due to whatever reason. I will pop in the local tackle shop and see if the "Private fishing" is linked to them in some way it's literally 2 minutes away so I should be able to get some advise on how to fish it.

I will of course keep you updated on how this develop's. However I probably won't get the chance to fish it for at least another week due to going for Carp this weekend.

Thanks for the advise once again it's really helpful.
 

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Weir update.


Hi all,


I asked the local tackle shop but not even he know's who owns this little walk way. I asked some of the local businesses as well including the one that's pictured with "Private Fishing". The owner's response was "Those markings are old one's, the new one say's No fishing, Private property".

I have covered all flanks pretty much to the best of my ability and still have got no closer to finding out who own's the land.

Do I just fish it now?

If you click the link you can clearly see around 4 pegs behind the Brass mill.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4178016,-2.4911981,107m/data=!3m1!1e3
 

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Weir update.


Hi all,


I asked the local tackle shop but not even he know's who owns this little walk way. I asked some of the local businesses as well including the one that's pictured with "Private Fishing". The owner's response was "Those markings are old one's, the new one say's No fishing, Private property".

I have covered all flanks pretty much to the best of my ability and still have got no closer to finding out who own's the land.

Do I just fish it now?

No, if you fail to get the express permission of the owner, you are a) trespassing, b) poaching. Trespass alone is unlikely to result in police action, fishing illegally as well as trespass certainly can result in a prosecution. No matter how tempting, it's not worth the risk. Such activity also gives angling, and anglers, a bad name. No matter how frustrating, or how little harm it may seem, sometimes you just got to accept that some really desireable places are simply off limits.
 

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Hi Denzinho,
Your original post asked about fishing from the bank opposite the bank that has "No Fishing" signs painted on the paving - this sign only refers to this bank not the bank opposite. From the Google map supplied it looks like the bank you are interested in is owned by The Brass Mill - or their downstream neighbour. Have you tried asking the publican?
Fishing rights belong to the Riparian Owner which is usually the Land Owner (or assigned to the tenant) and extends (usually) to halfway across the river - so the signage in the photo doesn't affect you if you are on the opposite bank!
I notice that The Brass Mill is adjacent to part of a canal (Weston Cut) - it's possible that BWB still owns the land around the canal - it may be worth approaching them to find out who owns that bank of the river if it's not them.

PS: Trespass is a Civil Law offence - the police are usually not (willingly) involved in such and will only attend if there is likely to be a Criminal offence arising - e.g. Breach of the Peace - should you fail to remove yourself from the property when requested.

Good Luck in the search!
 

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Weir update.

I have covered all flanks pretty much to the best of my ability and still have got no closer to finding out who own's the land.

Do I just fish it now?


No, do not fish without the consent of the landowner or whoever owns the Riparian rights.

As a start ring the local EA office and ask to speak to a river specialist or Bailiff.
They should be able to tell you who owns the section of river you want to fish.

Then make a face-to-face approach for consent to fish, do not try and do it over the phone unless its as a last resort.

Polite, well mannered and considerate is the way to go, and be prepared to sign an indemnity agreement if requested.

Let us know how things progress.

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Fishing without permission is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Not only could you find yourself nicked, but you may well have your tackle confiscated as well. Not worth the grief and such a lovely river must have loads of sections you can fish by joining a club............

I well remember a group of friends deciding to fish a length of the River Test (of all rivers!) back in the 60's, and were doing very well until river keeper (plus back-up) appeared on the scene and they were thrown off MINUS fishing tackle, which they never saw again !!
Yes, signs were clear and precise (on one of the finest trout fisheries in the world) NO course fishing, but they took the chance and paid the price.....

I'm sure you will sort it in the end so keep trying.......................
 

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Fishing without permission is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Not only could you find yourself nicked, but you may well have your tackle confiscated as well. Not worth the grief and such a lovely river must have loads of sections you can fish by joining a club............

Hey Tee-Cee,

I do in fact own a license for above the weir and below it but there obviously is a private property problem which I'm struggling to solve.

I have agreed to accept that me as an angler should lead by example and look for solid permission to fish this weir.


I have sent off a detailed e-mail report on what I have learn't from my own investigation work and my desire to fish this weir. check out 1 of my "MI5" Drawings......


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The red represents the bank that is a question mark and the yellow is what I call a public footpath but is unknown to where angling stands.

Anyhow hopefully they can shed some light on this situation. If they say it's privately owned I will discontinue the search for permission and resume chasing pike as my next target in October.

When I get a reply I will let you know the out come

as always thanks for your guidance

Steve
 
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Re: How do I? New update

Update

I received this e-mail from my local EA office today....





Thank you very much for your enquiry. As far as we are aware, no angling club leases the section of bank that you are interested in and it is not categorised as a free fishing section which are generally owned by the local council. It is therefore likely that the riparian owner (the person/company that owns the bank and adjacent land) has the fishing rights. Given the proximity to the nearby pub, which I believe is the Brass Mill, this may be a good place to start. But unfortunately we do not hold this information as this would come under the land registry. I know that people do fish along this stretch, but whether they have permission or not I do not know.



I’m sorry that I cannot give you a definitive answer but hope that the information I am able to provide is of some use.



Kind regards,



Jody.

So I guess I ask the Brass mill for permission. The reason I already haven't is because I thought it may of been owned by the council being a public footpath.
 

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Hi denzinho,

No don't ask the Pub for permission.
In my experience its not that common for such a property to own the riparian rights over the whole width of the river and by asking for permission to fish you are effectively giving them the opportunity to say NO......just to stop you fishing there.

Your next step is your local authority Rights of Way dept where you ask to see the map of the footpath that you say runs along the bank where you want to fish.
When you have the map in your hands/on the screen note the path number, then ask who owns the land over which the ROW runs because they have the answer you are seeking :D
All this is info is open to the public but you may be asked why you require it.
Be upfront and you should have no problems.

I know its not fishing but its good background experience.

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When you have the map in your hands/on the screen note the path number, then ask who owns the land over which the ROW runs because they have the answer you are seeking

More than 1 way to skin a cat - eh Mick?!
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denzinho....I reckon once you've sorted this bit of river out you will have no problem getting permission to fish the lake in Buckingham Palace !!

Top advice from mickb though.....

It's absolutely true, that in asking a question you give the pub the opportunity to say 'No' particularly as they don't know you. What you're looking for is impartial help/advice and the ROW dept should give you this..

Let's hope after all your efforts the weir holds some decent fish !!



ps Personally I wouldn't tell another soul about what you're trying to do otherwise you could end up with a queue at the weir !!!

Keep in touch.......
 
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