Who likes Carp

[Philip]

Philip I've been a specialist angler probably longer than you've lived, 44 years this year. I've fished most of the NW big fish water, many before they had carp in them. Others whilst they were in and some now that they are gone.

The Capesthorne Hall Estate Cheshire has some of the most famous waters on it in the NW and Midlands. I still fish one of those waters, once or twice a year, because of the enlightened Fisheries Manager the estate has, has brought back the other species to good weights that it was fame for 30-35 years ago when the carp were of modest sized fish by today's standards.

~Old saying don't try and teach your Grandma how to suck eggs. The likes of Selman Cooper, Warwick Paisley et al were bits of kid when I met them. Not that I was much more. No Philip to say I know nothing about "carp Anglers" is laughable!

Whilst you may have fished more years than me Phil I do have exposure to Carp Angling across a very wide spectrum.

Having been brought up on the fishing in the over crowed SE of England I am well aware of the worst examples & excesses of Carp Angling on rat race over crowded waters. And now having lived and fished for almost 2 decades on the continent including places you are unlikely to see another angler for a week I am also aware that there are Carp anglers out there that are a world apart from the scum bag image so many want to portray.

Have you done much Carp fishing outside the UK Phil ? I really hope its allot else your one size fits all drubbing of Carp anglers everywhere based on what’s happening in some bivvies’ on a well worn track round some known waters in the NW would appear pretty harsh and unfair.

 

[dicky123]

I tend to fish for multi species when I fish gravel pits and lakes. Thats fishing in a way I can catch, Tench, Bream, Rudd, Perch and the odd carp. I do love it when a carp comes along and gives me a right old tussle on a 5 lb hook link.

But I have to agree with Crow, the whole carp scene is obscene and a big move away from my childhood angling. Could I fish only for carp No.

I've also find the average carp angler is selfish, moody, often lacks basic fishing skills and has little idea of ethics and how to go on. Not the type of person I'd want to mix with.

 

[thecrow]

But I have to agree with Crow, the whole carp scene is obscene

I don't think I said that ****y

 

[binka]

I've just ordered one of these...



Apparently it comes with a discount voucher off a matching support vessel for all your supplies :wh :wh :wh

 

[The bad one]

The brolly poles look a bit dodgy to me And it's poorly designed as there's no where to your bankstick.....well not unless you don't want to abandon ship in the middle of the night

 

[bullet]

As there not having been a single post on the Carp forum for 6 days I thought I'd ask ....

:wh

I really like fishing for them with freelined crust or on the fly now and again.
Nice to get something that really pulls your string...

 

[itsfishingnotcatching]

I've just ordered one of these...

Don't forget Steve, the Titanic was allegedly unsinkable

 

[binka]

Don't forget Steve, the Titanic was allegedly unsinkable

With me at the helm...

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[thecrow]

With me at the helm...

What could possibly go wrong?

I have always felt perfectly safe when you have driven down the banks of the Trent

 

[john step]

I have always felt perfectly safe when you have driven down the banks of the Trent

Is that at warp factor 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I liked this one Tried to get photobucket to post this last week. Just succeeded as I think they may have changed things slightly. It could be me of coursemg:

 

[mikench]

I have to say John that I like commons best innit!

 

[steve2]

My club gave up a lake 3years ago because of access problem. It was a lovely lake a mature farm irrigation reservoir a mixed fishery with some big perch, Crucian carp, Tench and few carp. It was available to fish on the club ticket of £60 along with other waters. I have just found out that it as been sold to a carp syndicate that are in the process of netting it and restocking with yet more big carp. Price of this yet another run of the mill carp fishery £250.

Like I have said before carp are destroying far more fisheries than otters and cormorants ever will.

 

[Philip]

My club gave up a lake 3years ago because of access problem. It was a lovely lake a mature farm irrigation reservoir a mixed fishery with some big perch, Crucian carp, Tench and few carp. It was available to fish on the club ticket of £60 along with other waters. I have just found out that it as been sold to a carp syndicate that are in the process of netting it and restocking with yet more big carp. Price of this yet another run of the mill carp fishery £250.

Like I have said before carp are destroying far more fisheries than otters and cormorants ever will.

Maybe another way of looking at it is that as the club running the mixed fishery gave up on it and no one else wanted it for 3 years, the carp fishermen have saved the lake from being lost to angling altogether. I cant quite see how Carp are to blame yet again here.

Fact is , if the general coarse anglers were prepared to dip into their pockets to pay as often as the carp fishermen then we would see more general mixed fisheries.

..look on the bright side, at least the thread got the Carp forum moving a bit.

 

[thecrow]

carp are destroying far more fisheries than otters and cormorants ever will.

Don't want to start an otter thread here but the notion that carp destroy fisheries more than otters and cormorants is a suggestion that imo really cannot hold water, fisheries on some small rivers have been devastated by one or both to such an extent that the banks will be empty come the 16th and are likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future.

It could mean the loss of so much revenue to the controlling club that they might have to give the water up, it could mean the end of angling on the stretch and even after the predators have moved on because they have exhausted the food supply who is going to fish there to find if things have improved? not previous club members because the club doesn't have the water, all the fault of the carp? I think not.

 

[mikench]

I do! I loved the film starring Robin Williams " the world according to carp":wh

 

[robcourt82]

I discovered a lovely little gravel pit near me recently. It's commercially run alongside 2 other lakes. It's full of bream and a fair few tench but the controlling club decided to stock some small mirror carp this winter. Apparently in the 4 months since they were stocked the pit has taken as much money in ticket sales as it did the last 2 seasons.

Whilst there are a few people who love the traditional bream and tench fishing the evidence would suggest they are few and far between!
Personally I love the place, mature, weedy, fairly clear and full of quality fish.

Anyone in essex, check out the warren match lake.

 

[sam vimes]

I discovered a lovely little gravel pit near me recently. It's commercially run alongside 2 other lakes. It's full of bream and a fair few tench but the controlling club decided to stock some small mirror carp this winter. Apparently in the 4 months since they were stocked the pit has taken as much money in ticket sales as it did the last 2 seasons. Whilst there are a few people who love the traditional bream and tench fishing the evidence would suggest they are few and far between!

I don't think you are far off the mark. I know a bloke that is involved with a number of fisheries, mostly in East Yorkshire and a bit beyond my usual range. He's primarily concerned with big carp waters. However, he managed to secure access to a once renowned tench water. This water had been closed to anglers for a few years. Rather than stuff it full of carp, he decided to leave it alone and hope that the good tench fishing would be enough of a draw for different anglers to his usual clientele. The reality was that it was seriously underfished and some of those that bothered were leaving the place a mess and/or doing a runner when someone turned up to collect day ticket money. Last I heard was that it was going to go syndicate rather than day ticket. The saving grace was that he was still resisting the money spinning option to put carp in.

 

[Philip]

Last I heard was that it was going to go syndicate rather than day ticket. The saving grace was that he was still resisting the money spinning option to put carp in.

I suspect the lure of money will win eventually. Maybe some of the people on fishing magic complaining about too many Carp and crying for a Tench fishery could go and fish it and save another water being “lost” to nasty Mr Carp…:wh

 

[Keith M]

Charlie Carp | Naturally.....it works :w

Provide a lake full of small Carp (including f1's) plus lots of snotty bream and you'll have a muddy pool with hundreds of matchmen and anglers that just want to buy their tickets and fish a pond where they know they'll be able to sit in manicured level swims and catch fish that bend their rods a bit regardless of what type of fish they are catching or how unnatural the place may look; which is fine for some but just not me

Provide a nice more naturalised lake and fill it with massive Carp all with silly names and you'll get a Carp syndicate fishing it; often paying silly prices to do so; which is also just not for me although I used to fish them for a while

Provide a beautifull remote and more naturalised lake containing decent sized Carp, some nice Tench and Crucians and some nice shoals of decent sized Rudd and Roach plus a few predators like Perch and Pike and you'll get a non profit making club trying to snap it up and have a three or four year waiting list to join it.

Provide a decent river or stream and you'll get anglers either moaning because there are no manicured swims or there are no decent paths for their trolleys or because they actually have to climb over styles and walk a few extra yards to find an easy swim to fish from, or are simply too difficult to fish or they believe the misleading stories that they've heard about the rivers no longer holding fish in numbers like they used to.

Keith