Do many people on this forum still do any swing tipping?
As much as I enjoy the quiver tip, the swing tip has got to be the more sensitive of the two. A mate was watching me one day, and cursing me saying why didnít I hit that bite? This was a bream session. The thing was my swingtip was lifting about halfway up and then dropping back down. I always wait until the tip goes up and stays there; I think this is a sure way of avoiding liners.
Two waters that I used to go for the bream on, I got to know quite well. I always found that on both waters the bream swam in an anti clockwise direction around the lakes. Was this coincidence or is there something to it?
Baz, I use a swing tip for the majority of my bream fishing. Can't beat it.
The only time I use the quiver instead, is when the water is exceptionally deep or it has a really bad surface tow.
There's no comparision for me, when it comes to gaining an understanding of what going on at the terminal end. A swing tip will help you understand far more than a quiver ever would, so I agree with you totally.
Liners are particularly easier to read, but you also see some very gentle lifts, knocks and movement, that wouldn't register or stand out on a quiver tip.
It seems to be a method limited to just a few parts of the country, N/West, Anglia area, which is a shame.
The therefore aren't many swing top rods available to buy off the shelf and I suspect it will become less and less. So many these days are 'power quivers' for towing lumps out of commecials.
That's what I found Paul, those little lifts that drop straight back down are so obviousely liners.
I have a Shimano stradic specialist which takes a swingtip, it is a lovely soft action which allows me to use lighter lines.
I think I remember Ed mentioning Boundary water park recently. I found an underwater plateau about 40 yds out, it was only two feet deep, can't remember what the surrounding depths were, but it was deffinately a shallow spot.
I baited the area with groats and brown crumb, and waited for one of the large two shoals of bream that are said to be in there to arrive. I was fishing two rods, but had to take one out as when the bream did arrive the action was hectic. I have caught well on this water but nothing over 5lbs.
It is said that casting is not too acurate.
But I have never had a problem with it, and can hit the mark pretty well okay.
What I do is to lift the rod to about the 2 0'clock position behind me, and then lob or bowl the end rig out, and not throw it out as you would a ledger or quiver tip rod. It is a much more gentler cast, but I can still get it 40yds or so no problem.
Try a short distance first, gradually lengthening the cast.
Casting should be no different to a quiver tip. You can cast over your head as normal. I punch it out with as much force as a quiver. If you are getting problems, it will be down to the way you have set up the swing tip or more likely, the type you are using.
I always use the pre-bent rubber adaptors (L shaped), and add a screw in Drennan quiver tip, inserted into the adaptor, having removed the screw fitting. Make sure the adaptor is pushed on to the screw fitting as far as it will go, so it is butted right upto the end eye on your rod. I wouldnít use those floppy swing tips fitted with soft rubber tubing, if you are casting any distance.
I set up fishing at 45 degrees to the water, as oppose to the 90 degrees that you would for quiver tipping. If I am fishing by sitting to the right, I set the adaptor so the swing tip when under no tension is slightly behind the end of the rod, so that when it cast out, you can tension it and still have it pointing straight down and not in the direction of the terminal tackle. This gives a nice right angle, where the line leave the eye of the swing tip.
Itís a bit tricky to explain in words, a picture would probably explain it better? Could try photographing it, if it would help?
If you set it up like this, you shouldnít have any problems casting, even long distances.