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Old 06-09-2010, 13:06
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Default Good Roach - is it in the clouds?

Went fishing yesterday and caught 10/12 very good roach. Not 2lb or 1lb; just very good roach for the water. Above the average size which is usually 4in 5in fish. These were all 8-12 inches. Maybe one or two nudging the 1lb mark. When I started fishing thier were clouds in the sky and these good roach were feeding well. When the clouds cleared the roach stopped feeding. I was only fishing for 3 hours and the last half hour the clouds came back and the roach came on again. I have always believed that big roach only come out to play when the conditions really suit them and this is why they seem to "disappear" for weeks or months at a time.
The above was a good example- I know this is often what roach fishing does; they feed for a while and then go and come back but, was it the cloud cover that switched them on or off or was this just coincidence?
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Old 06-09-2010, 13:33
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more probably that the cloud cover changed the light levels to where they were happy to feed or where your setup could fool them
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Carrot is probably right. The roach, like most cyprinids, do not like bright lights.

With the exception of dace perhaps.
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Carrot is probably right. The roach, like most cyprinids, do not like bright lights.

With the exception of dace perhaps.
And minnows .
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Out of interest were you fishing river or stillwater and how deep was the swim?

Most decent roach I've ever had were caught under low light level conditions(not necessarily in overcast daytime conditions)but either very early in the morning or very late in the evening....mainly the latter.
Obviously depth of swim plays a major part as well and if I've been lucky enough to catch them in sunshine its always been in deep swims-certainly over 10 feet..

The other factor(IMO)that seems to affect roach is temperature change-for example a sudden flush of rainwater or a cold wind seems to put them down....and to do very well a period of settled days always helps..

I always think of that wonderful catch that Bob James made in 'A Passion for Angling' when he landed a large number of 2lb plus roach in very overcast conditions BUT if I remember correctly he had to change swims several times before he located feeding fish which suggests that roach don't always feed even in seemingly ideal conditions-it all comes down to location and a large slice of luck!!

Markg..I wonder if you went back to the same swim several days in a row you would find the fish feeding......

Anyway its always nice to catch above average fish for the water regardless of size so well done!!
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:50
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A river - Good point Tee Cee; I did change swim. The first swim was about 2-3ft and I caught one average roach but then nothing for 1/2 hour. The river was a bit down than usual and I wasn't too happy in this swim so I moved down 100yds to a swim about 5-6ftish deep just by a bridge. The water was what I would describe as some/colour and I guess the sunlight would have penetrated down 5-6ft just about but, less so than the previous swim. I was actually after a chub which I had down as the conditions being best for but, big/roach were my second best shot. I didn't catch a chub but, did well with the big/roach! But, as said only when the cloud covered the sun. It was just quite marked the way they stopped feeding during about an hour of sunlight and then came back on for the last half hour when the cloud return.
If I went back there in a row I guess if the conditions stayed favourably for big roach they may carry on feeding but, I reckon with big roach I small difference in the conditions and they will stop feeding whereas the smaller roach would continue to feed. This is what I have gathered from records etc that its much more crucial for the right conditions to be in place for big roach. I am only generlising here as I know any fish can be caught at anytime and there will always be exceptions but, interesting nevertheless.

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Old 07-09-2010, 13:32
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I've had this many times. Most usual as sun sets obviously - the classic gloaming. One interesting example where the sun continued shining was catching roach on the long pole in the shadow of a tree during a match on the narrow upper Stour. As the shadow moved so did the roach. Outside of the shadow not a bite. The pole made it easy to present the bait in the right spot on a slow moving river. Can't remember exact depth but 5ft is likely.
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This was one of the frustrations of a local evening league that was fished for many years on my local Thames. Nominally, matches were fished from 6:00pm to 9:00pm with roach, dace and perch being the main targets. Cloudy and rainy evenings were generally more productive but it was the final 45 minutes that you wanted to last forever as the direct sunlight was off the water by this time and the light/shadows had settled evenly. The stretch used to change into a different river. It was generally pretty frenetic stuff for this last period and pretty often won and lost on the dog roach and large dace caught (or not) during this period. It was crucial that you always saved enough caster for this period.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:24
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Just out of interest I went back to the same swim as on Sunday. Same time of day. Very slow and had one roach slightly above average size. On Sunday I had 10+ very good roach. The main difference was that the wind was a lot less strong and it was bright and sunny for the duration. Whereas I was catching plenty of good roach on Sunday when the cloud covered the sun there was no cloud cover yesterday. Other changes in the conditions were more suitable for big/roach ie. wind direction, air temperatures and moon phase and on balance it should have still been good for big/roach but, I still believe the cloud cover was key. I have also detected a trend that big/roach tend to feed more when there is a bit of wind about so, this may have also been a factor.
I know just two fishings sessions dont mean much and there could have been plenty of other reasons for the difference but, it was quite a different days fishing.
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Years ago in the wintertime I used to fish a stretch of the upper witham that held some really nice roach.Arriving early was fine until the sun came up from behind. At that point the fish would do the usual game of hard to tempt until the late afternoon, or if the sun went behind/above a blanket of cloud.Dogwalkers were a curse as the shadows cast would put any remaining fish that were disposed to feeding into flight in the relatively shallow water. One winter, anticipating this behaviour, I made a floating raft with two black bin liners that were held afloat by polyballs at each corner and along its length. By arriving well before sunup I used to position the "raft"just over the marginal weed towards the bottom of my chosen swim, fishing well overdepth I was able to inch my bait under the raft and on numerous occasions carried on taking roach well after the sun came up.One day a dogwalker came up to me and enquired if I had taken any fish, I did have some in the keepnet but played down the numbers by saying that it was a bit slower than usual-- he replied that if people didnt litter the river with bin bags I would do a lot better!!
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