River Itchen Hydropower Scheme Withdrawn

[Jeff Woodhouse]

Originally Posted by amushroom

I hope the ATr received big boys wages for their assistance, or perhaps the assistance was a charitable donation

I believe that apart from some travel (over vast distances) and phone etc. expenses, the latter is more the case.

Originally Posted by john m h

I met your friend George Gerring (from Thames EA) last night, Jeff.

Hahah! Give him my regards when next you see him and tell him his replacement down here (who is green, in the lack-of-experience sense ) is being very accomodating. I am bending him into shape rather well.

[amushroom]

good on ya john, I wish I had the stamina and patience required to deal with so many well meaning numb nuts
you keep at'em buddy and you'll learn'em, heres hoping the website is as good as the one you did for the TAC

anyways back on track

so the ATr are using their resources to help the S&TA
the S&TA are reimbursing the ATr with a minimun sum

considering the financial differences between the two organisations, that sucks,
add in that without the ATr involvement they wouldn't have won, and the fact that the ATr aint mentioned in the press release
its fair to say that members of the ATr have been ripped of again
resources and skills withdrawn from other areas, to improve the lot of those who dont wanna pay the trust a fair sum, and who dont even wanna acknowledge publicly, the help they received

ATr members should be outraged that with so many thousands of hydropower proposals, on gawd knows how many rivers, the main man at the ATr has time to spend sorting out the S&TA's problems, when the pay is paltry, and the credit non existent

[Jeff Woodhouse]

Originally Posted by amushroom

so the ATr are using their resources to help the S&TA
the S&TA are reimbursing the ATr with a minimun sum

No and no, don't jump to conclusions, Jim.

Alan may well have given the S&TA the information freely, I don't know. I thought your comment "I hope the ATr received big boys wages for their assistance, or perhaps the assistance was a charitable donation" was in relation to what Alan gets paid from the ATr. Again, I have no idea about that, but he's not the sort of man to be wanting 'big boys wages' as you put it, more that he probably gets some expenses paid, which seems only fair.

One thing is clear about Alan, he knows fisheries and fish very well and he knows how the EA works from his own experiences on the inside. He is one of the most valuable assets we could possible have in the Angling Trust.

[amushroom]

jeff, I'm all for helping other brothers of the angle, but if resources are withdrawn from somewhere else, how does it help the somewhere else
alan is obviously the doggy dangles when it comes to hydropower, and if his services were leant to another organisation, then great, recompense the ATr, if on the other hand he's doing it out of ATr office hours so to speak, why is it for a posh trout venue
the true mindset of the S&TA was displayed with the avoidance of mentioning the assistance of the ATr
its more of the same, individuals unable to work together for a better environment, and yet these illuminaries expound to the average joe, the exact opposite

[Jeff Woodhouse]

I can't disagree with the principles of what you're saying, Jim, but seeing as we don't know the detail of what was agreed a) between the two orgainsations and/or b) with Alan alone, then it's best to keep a lid on it. The only thing Alan has told me is that he did provide the information and it would have been nice to have given him some credit.

[amushroom]

keep a lid on it, like the teddington situation, poppycock

sing loud'n'proud that alan/ATr have got teddington hydropower put back, and even louder, that alan/ATr has triumphed, and that without their help the S&TA wouldn't have been successful
worst ways it'll enable a few coarse anglers to look down their noses and retort, you're prized 'clear as gin and twice the price' would be f*cked without us, and maybe that would engender greater acknowledgement of the co-opoeration that has taken place
in my opinion this was a deliberate ploy, to exclude the ATr from public awareness of their critical involvement
meaning an act of denegration for coarse anglers, which is going unchallenged by coarse anglings governing body, perhaps coarse anglings governing body could encourage its members to contact the S&TA to remedy the situation, ie, make it nice for alan to get some credit

[amushroom]

I dont know about the rest of you, but I've been wondering where the wonga for hydropower is coming from, whose assisting/financing these community schemes

anyways utilising this wonderful interweb, I've unearthed the fact that the plans for some of'em, are subject to a suspended invoicing system, which is attached to the condition that should a license be granted, but construction not go ahead, the company drawing up the plans, becomes owner of the license

so if I understand this right, a bunch of well meaning green energy ammateurs, wiil persuade councils to grant permissions/licenses, then appeal to their local community for finance, they will then fail to attract sufficient funding, so will hand the license over to private sector exploitation

[john m h]

How do they raise the wonga? HERE is one way the good people of Settle helped *^ck up the Ribble.

A very good example of HOW NOT to do it right

Hexhams Hydro's response to the ATr position HERE

[amushroom]

nice one john

its friggin amazing that those who want greener energy, and those that want green energy and fish, are at such loggerheads
as the aspirations are the same, one can only conclude that it is the way the groups/organisations conduct themselves, that is the cause of the friction

this is gonna be a long running saga, that is nationwide, and if angling dont wake up, it could lose out big time
so hows about the ATr sussing out someone salaried/volunteer, who can correlate all the info, act as a central figure, and assist those on the ground with making their local communities aware of the whitewash that accompanies hydropower proposals
to continue as is with piecemeal activities unco-ordinated, aint gonna cut the mustard