Martin Salter takes on Angling Trust Appointment

[cg74]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

I take encouragement from the 1,600 odd views though. Impressive.

What do you take encouragement from, do you think you're aiding the canoeist cause?

[john m h]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

I stated in an earlier post that there are plenty of anglers out there who value the right to navigate their local river without being assaulted, very, very highly.

I stand by that comment. It's true.

Yes, and I still believe there really really is a Santa Claus

[sam vimes]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

Hi Sam. Yes Martin Salter annoys the hell out of the pay nothing, demand everything canoeists.

He also annoys the hell out of the angers that would just like to get along with other river users.

I stated in an earlier post that there are plenty of anglers out there who value the right to navigate their local river without being assaulted, very, very highly.

I stand by that comment. It's true.

Andy,
sorry, I'm quite prepared to at least attempt to get along with other river users. I'm quite content to reel in for barges and pleasure craft on the big navigable rivers. I'll even nod, smile, wave, say "good morning" as appropriate, particularly when some appreciation is shown. Sadly, I've never yet had such a pleasant experience with a canoeist. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that every canoeist I've ever encountered on a river has gone out of their way to be as disruptive and beligerent as possible. The extreme being a bloke that passed by on the opposite side of a river, saw me, turned and came back to paddle stationary in the spot I was fishing.

I'm quite sure that there are decent canoeists out there. Unfortunately, those I've encountered have been the militant and confrontational. While I've never felt the need to rise to such wilful provocation, I'm not surprised that some do. I'm not sorry that someone is standing up to canoeists in a political arena.

[Andy Youngs]

Of course. I am demonstrating that not all anglers agree with AT's policies, and that the anglers that actively patrol our riverbanks shouting abuse at canoeists do not represent me.

The AT are telling me that they represent all anglers. But they didn't ask my permission to do that. They just did it.

I've also demonstrated that if an angler decides to challenge the current regime then he will most likely be ridiculed.

Over the course of this thread, I've been described as autistic, anarchic and irresponsible. I've been branded as a criminal, and penalised by the moderating function for upsetting the status quo.

But all I'm trying to do, is facilitate a little bit of compromise between anglers and canoeists.

I think life is short, and we should all try harder when it comes to resolving the issue of navigation rights.

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Originally Posted by sam vimes

Andy,
sorry, I'm quite prepared to at least attempt to get along with other river users. I'm quite content to reel in for barges and pleasure craft on the big navigable rivers. I'll even nod, smile, wave, say "good morning" as appropriate, particularly when some appreciation is shown. Sadly, I've never yet had such a pleasant experience with a canoeist. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that every canoeist I've ever encountered on a river has gone out of their way to be as disruptive and beligerent as possible. The extreme being a bloke that passed by on the opposite side of a river, saw me, turned and came back to paddle stationary in the spot I was fishing.

I'm quite sure that there are decent canoeists out there. Unfortunately, those I've encountered have been the militant and confrontational. While I've never felt the need to rise to such wilful provocation, I'm not surprised that some do. I'm not sorry that someone is standing up to canoeists in a political arena.

You've just got it in for all canoeists. You don't represent me, and I don't see why you should have any say in the AT. You're obviously not a proper angler. I think you just want to keep the river to yourself and to hell with everyone else.

[sam vimes]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

But all I'm trying to do, is facilitate a little bit of compromise between anglers and canoeists.

Might I suggest that you are making a complete hash of it?

Too many canoeists don't want to compromise. They want anglers to compromise and they demand their "rights" even where they have none.
That's got nowt to do with compromise or debate.

[cg74]

Originally Posted by sam vimes

The extreme being a bloke that passed by on the opposite side of a river, saw me, turned and came back to paddle stationary in the spot I was fishing.

Try one these: Barnett DIABLO Catapult Slingshot Made by 'Black Widow' | eBay
Combined with 20mm halibut pellets.

[Bluenose]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

That's a noble objective to aim for, but I doubt if it's going to happen.

It does happen in the main Andy, this thread is angling related I believe.

Paul, not wanting to spoil anyone's fun mate, trust me on that! Non angling 'politics' for want of a better word, tends to bring out the worst (in forum terms) in some elements of our membership. The odd political reference p/take is fine, see Merv, Korea thread etc. However when it gets 'serious' it's orrible to read and even worse to moderate! Much worse than this here!

On a lighter, somewhat contrary note I will add that mods/admin and the owner are in discussion as to whether former MP's are allowed to post or not!

It's not so much 'cash for questions' that's the issue, more like 'cash for posts' (or the lack of).

So when you are ready Mr Salter.... ....we can further any political cause, angling related of course!

Maybe you have plans for an underground cormorant sanctuary, or would like to turn some of those southern gravel pits into plush retirement homes? If you need support for exploratory oil/gas drilling in the Avon Valley we have our man (PJ) on 'the inside'.

Just don't take the p*** with the expenses though, capiche?*



*welcome to the site

[Andy Youngs]

Originally Posted by cg74

Try one these: Barnett DIABLO Catapult Slingshot Made by 'Black Widow' | eBay
Combined with 20mm halibut pellets.

That is a perfect example of the mods failing to do their job properly. Here we have an individual who is actively promoting physical violence against canoeists. Why isn't he banned? Imagine what would happen if a canoeist posted on here that anglers should receive sling shots from modern catapult. These implements could easily kill a person, and yet the AT seem happy to support people who promote their use.

[Bluenose]

Originally Posted by Andy Youngs

That is a perfect example of the mods failing to do their job properly. Here we have an individual who is actively promoting physical violence against canoeists. Why isn't he banned? Imagine what would happen if a canoeist posted on here that anglers should receive sling shots from modern catapult. These implements could easily kill a person, and yet the AT seem happy to support people who promote their use.

Andy, moderation, on this site at least, is about judgement. I believe that cg's comment was jocular, if you ever get walloped by 22mm hali's then feel free to use this post as evidence, seriously. Other mods and members may disagree and cg may choose to edit his comments.

He never threatened you or anyone else directly, as such my judgement is such that he's kidding. That said if the moderation isn't to your liking, you are free to leave the site or complain to the site owner.

Before you do that however I do not believe you have answered Mr Salter's polite request for a debate?

Originally Posted by martinsalter

Next time I see a canoeist trespassing down some shallow watercourse and disturbing the fishing and the the wildlife I must remember to sing " how sweet it is to be loved by you " !
Thanks for your kind comments guys...I will do my best for you and our fisheries.

Andy...we really should have a chat, just you and me if you like or a debate in front of a few hundred anglers...if you've got the balls that is ?

Cheers
Martin

[Paul Boote]

Understood and accepted, for I am largely similarly minded, but do feel - have always felt - that Angling needs to be touched by harsh reality more than just occasionally, especially these days, for, otherwise, it'll only end up being run by smiley-smiley Media Monkeys and the latest set of Well-Branded Boys who know all there is to know about their own take on Darwinian "Survival of The Fittest" harsh reality and nothing about the great majority who, as a consequence of their own self-obsession and overweening ambition, they condemn to the also-ran trashcan. So, Bluey / FM / British Angling ... it's a case now of either a few Well-Connected Smart Set Strutting Lions ... or the many "WTF?" dazed and confused ostriches with their heads firmly stuck in the sand waiting for their rear ends to be munched off by any passing Lion...

So, what we do we Anglers want? All in this Angling together? That's where I am - always have been - helping my fellow fishers (some total shehits sadly among them, but then proper Anglers do that) and trying to move Angling on, not trying to fix it in some perceived "perfect past" or just, as many do, run with it for a few fat years, then take the money and run...