Barbel Fishing – Attacking the Swim

[cg74]

Originally Posted by Ron The Hat Clay

The paternoster, or semi-fixed paternoster is one of the most effective rigs ever devised. And as long as you use a weaker paternoster link than the main line, it is safe.

The "Chod Rig" for carp is simply a modern version of the short link paternoster. The link, instead of being fixed directly to the mainline with a swivel, is connected via a "helicopter" arrangement.

I have used paternoster arrangements for as long as I can remember and I can never remember a case where we tethered a fish.

Short link 2 hook paternosters are are used by specialist still water roach fishers.

Originally Posted by the wise one

The only fixed paternoster rig I use (four turn water knot, with a weak link) is when small river chub/roach fishing.
I normally use a couple of AA's or a Swan as the weight, and this is pinched on so lightly the the shot often fall off on the retrieve, let alone should, god forbid, a fish break the mainline above the water knot.

Two perfect examples of hypocrisy, both berate fixed rigs, yet both employ them...... And then the apt question (all the better as it was posed by a hypocrite)!!

Originally Posted by the wise one

How would you know if you'd tethered a fish or not?

I'd have thought fishing on smaller rivers for chub would entail fishing very tight to snags, far tighter than on bigger rivers, as you're often either flicking or lowering your rig under rafts etc?
Hmm, let me pre-empt your retort; you only ever fish creases in open stretches of water, so as to minimise the risk of your fixed (tether) rig tethering?

[Jeff Woodhouse]

I like that one too Mr Corkers. Never again let your so-called frienbds say about you that you're ..... ah well, best forgotten. As you will remember, I am a fan of the loop rig, USED PROPERLY, and of the fixed paternoster, USED PROPERLY. Nothing wrong with either and you should never ever tether any fish when USED PROPERLY.


I have a tiny little question about your ring - method that is. Does it ever come back and cause a floating loop that will scare the bejesus out of the fish? Or would you know?

[the blanker]

Originally Posted by the wise one

The only fixed paternoster rig I use (four turn water knot, with a weak link) is when small river chub/roach fishing.
I normally use a couple of AA's or a Swan as the weight, and this is pinched on so lightly the the shot often fall off on the retrieve, let alone should, god forbid, a fish break the mainline above the water knot.

Far better for the fish if you use a piece of line folded over your main line with whatever shot is required squeezed onto that, an old and very safe method.

[Ron The Hat Clay]

I might add to my comments that I don't use a fixed paternoster these days, although I may have done so in the past. All the rigs I use are recommended originally by NASA, later to be SAA in their code of conduct.

The only "fixed paternoster" I do use is the dropper on a multi-fly leader, using 3 turn water knots.

The "Safer" Loop rig is also OKd by the original SAA code of conduct.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...se_anglers.pdf

[Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)]

Jeff

Please explain how each rig you refer to should be USED PROPERLY as if I am a novice. Otherwise it's just a meaningless sweeping statement.

[bennygesserit]

Originally Posted by Ron The Hat Clay

I might add to my comments that I don't use a fixed paternoster these days, although I may have done so in the past. All the rigs I use are recommended originally by NASA, later to be SAA in their code of conduct.

The only "fixed paternoster" I do use is the dropper on a multi-fly leader, using 3 turn water knots.

The "Safer" Loop rig is also OKd by the original SAA code of conduct.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...se_anglers.pdf

Very useful link that thanks !

It does mention that some rigs are only safe if used with the correct line.which is what I am sure people mean't by proper use , although again that might be too subtle for relatively novice anglers.

[the wise one]

Originally Posted by cg74

Two perfect examples of hypocrisy, both berate fixed rigs, yet both employ them...... And then the apt question (all the better as it was posed by a hypocrite)!!



I'd have thought fishing on smaller rivers for chub would entail fishing very tight to snags, far tighter than on bigger rivers, as you're often either flicking or lowering your rig under rafts etc?
Hmm, let me pre-empt your retort; you only ever fish creases in open stretches of water, so as to minimise the risk of your fixed (tether) rig tethering?

Wow, you're a spiky little so and so aren't you

How stupid must you be, if you compare a loop rig to a four turn water knot, and think both are the same

I'd love to get involved with a bout of vocabulary jousting with you, but to be quite frank, I prefer to leave it to young Paul to tear you apart > again.

Four your information, most of my chub from the small rivers that I fish, are caught in runs between the streamer weed beds.

Now jog on!

[Jeff Woodhouse]

Originally Posted by Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)

Please explain how each rig you refer to should be USED PROPERLY as if I am a novice. Otherwise it's just a meaningless sweeping statement.

You've been around long enough to have read my previous article on 'death rigs', I'd refer you to that.

You're not answering my question.

[cg74]

Originally Posted by Ron The Hat Clay

I might add to my comments that I don't use a fixed paternoster these days, although I may have done so in the past. All the rigs I use are recommended originally by NASA, later to be SAA in their code of conduct.

The only "fixed paternoster" I do use is the dropper on a multi-fly leader, using 3 turn water knots.

The "Safer" Loop rig is also OKd by the original SAA code of conduct.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...se_anglers.pdf

So you're now advocating a multiple hook rig; interesting!

So what would you envisage happening if the unthinkable were to occur, yep, heaven forbid, you hook up on your front hook, part company with your leader say at the knot joining the leader to the fly line (of course that'd never happen, eh?).

Then what of the hooked fish left trailing several feet of line and two hooks, end one that is often weighted; so highly likely to snag, or not?


As for that link; well I'd say if people need that level of scripted guidance, then sorry, I'm doubtful they'd have the mental ability to read it, let alone comprehend the info found within.
Add to that if anyone is so ignorant and stupid as to discard fishing line, hooks etc without realising the potential harm that it can wreak; then I'm bloody sure they ain't going to heed anything written in that long winded load of condescending guff, or am I wrong?

---------- Post added at 18:51 ---------- Previous post was at 18:41 ----------

Originally Posted by the wise one

Wow, you're a spiky little so and so aren't you

How stupid must you be, if you compare a loop rig to a four turn water knot, and think both are the same

I'd love to get involved with a bout of vocabulary jousting with you, but to be quite frank, I prefer to leave it to young Paul to tear you apart > again.

Four your information, most of my chub from the small rivers that I fish, are caught in runs between the streamer weed beds.

Now jog on!

I think you'll find nowhere have I even hinted at loop rig and a four turn water knot as a part of a fixed paternoster rig are the "same"; so I guess that shows "how stupid you must be" to say that I had?

So be a good chap now and "jog on!"

Was it sarcasm that lead you to your profile name or just a case of inadvertent irony, eh The (not so) Wise One?

[Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)]

Jeoff

I wouldn't know. I don't use under water cameras to witness that sort of thing.