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This is a dedicated thread for discussing article: Fracking - Do you Give a Fruck?
The Gasland footage showing flames out of water taps has been shown and proved to false ;ie it was methane gas coming out of taps in an area well know for it and has been occurring for a century or more with the ground water, nothing to do with fracking. Even the producer of Gasland has admitted this!
If fracking is such a danger why has Germany been fracking since the early 60's? and they have the highest enviromental regulations in the world! and no reported pollution incidents?
Perhaps if you as a MP who voted through the ludicrous Climate Change Act
HAD NOT!!.. we would not be looking for shale gas now and would still be able and permitted to use natural gas, coal, instead of being shackled to a ACT that has and will kill 10's of thousand of elderly people in the coming years until the act is repealed
As for the RSPB.. LOL the same organisation that clams to protect birds!! except when the birds/bats fly into wind turbines placed on RSPB owned land another NGO sucking on the subsidies gravy trainmg:
as for WWF see above.
17years + with no statistically significant global warming.
I know you are trying to look after angling Martin but do try and do a bit of research before you write something like this again!! and perhaps you should tell the readers of this piece if you are still affiliated with GREENPEACE that biggest sucker of taxpayer and government subsidies there is!!and clearly against fracking.
Peter whilst the lead in might be a bit circumspect, the concluding concerns re the use of water resources and impacts of spills and or contamination are not.
I really don’t understand any river angler not sharing those concerns.
Also reports from America relating to problems with livestock due to fracking.
Peter whilst the lead in might be a bit circumspect, the concluding concerns re the use of water resources and impacts of spills and or contamination are not.
Corporate Social and Environmental responsibility eh!
Ohio Man Pleads Guilty to Dumping Toxic Fracking Wastewater Into River – EcoWatch: Cutting Edge Environmental News Service
I really don’t understand any river angler not sharing those concerns.
And I’ll repeat again what I said in the last thread on this issue when those fracking in the UK (Cuadrilla) are calling for tighter regulations from the UK Government on what they do, I have serious concerns about what regulations we do have to cover this industry.
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Clearly a doubter mg: I think you'll be chocking on those words come the end of the month and the new IPCC report. No doubt you'll be claim it's a pinco lefty green conspiracy inspired report.
Yes i do doubt the hysteria over AGW :wh the facts do not back it up
As for choking on my words..Hmm we'll see, parts of that IPCC report have already been leaked and surprise surprise the IPCC states that climate sensititivity is lower that the model and scientist's had predicted.lol
all it took was 17+years with no warming, a 60% rise in arctic ice extent and record Antarctic sea ice
All we now need is for our government to follow the newly elected Australian government in disbanding the the Eco fascist brigade in this country so our economy can grow and create jobs.
As for pinko left greens!!! i'll leave the name calling to you alarmists/warminista's..its what you do best
This was taken from his joint report:
"We have conducted in-depth interviews with over 30 animal owners concerning their health as well as the health of their animals from five years prior to drilling to the time of the interview"
If that was the basis and the core sampling of this "study" then I think the results need to be judged on this sampling accordingly.
The same paper concludes thus: "Further studies are needed to determine the prevalence of these problems; nevertheless, we have identified several issues that are of concern:"
. . . and that is long before we even start to discuss the relative differences in the underlying geology between these 2 Countries . . . . . .
Geoff, ignoring the puerile remarks, but to answer your question: the EA are still consulting (unlike the Angling Trust) on the question of water supply, you can find the consultation documentation on their website.
Notwithstanding, the EA have already disclosed:
"Under the current regulations, a shale gas operator wishing to take a lot of water directly from a river, lake or groundwater will have to apply to the EA for a licence.
A licence will only be granted if the water can be taken in a way that "doesn't harm the environment or other users", the EA says.
Otherwise, no dice. Alternatively, a gas company could make a deal where a water company sells it the water."
The short anwser is that water can come from gound water sources by abstraction, and before anyone makes the obvious comments, kindly check how much water the average golf course uses* in direct comparison, (and on a daily basis in the summer) however, unlike gold course and other irrigation uses the water employed in the fracking process can be recovered (not all I will grant) and treated for further re-use.
I am surprised that the Angling Trust, or the author, didn't ask these questions directly to the EA, but then to emphasis their biased opinion it was probably much easier to jump on that rickety old bandwagon, I would guess.
Lastly Geoff, and for the record, I live in Wiltshire, and far from being "Grumpy" I would prefer to describe myself as being . . . . . . informed.
Note: A golf course uses an average of 300,000 gallons of water per day during the summer months.
Yes i never fancied the Daily Express much either. Speaking as a pinko lefty green.To be honest its difficult to take a post seriously , on a serious subject , that is littered with emoticons and opinion.
So presumably the golf course in an abstraction issue though rather than contamination ?
Do you have similar figures for some of these proposed fracking processes ?
what I don't want to do is simply summarise googled pages back to you , I'd love to , also , give you sets of evidence backed up by quotable and demonstrable scientific rescearch - I can't do that either.
Benny, I corrected my error above while you were posting this . . . . .
I would say that recycled fracking water apparantley becomes more and more intensely contaimnated with use.
To be honest its difficult to take a post seriously , on a serious subject , that is littered with emoticons and opinion.
Straw man reply, Basically you've no real,arguement then,and is this not a place where one can not give an opinion??? i thought thats what forums where for..or do you just like to hear the "consensus "opinion!!!
Pulling up quotes from Carbon Briefing is like pulling up Hitlers quotes on his good treatment of the Jews..rather one sided!
Yet another vampiric taxpayer sucking entity who's only purpose is leach of the public purse.
To be honest its difficult to take a post seriously , on a serious subject , that is littered with emoticons and opinion.
Straw man reply, Basically you've no real,arguement then,and is this not a place where one can not give an opinion??? i thought thats what forums where for..or do you just like to hear the "consensus "opinion!!!
Pulling up quotes from Carbon Briefing is like pulling up Hitlers quotes on his good treatment of the Jews..rather one sided!
Yet another vampiric taxpayer sucking entity who's only purpose is leach of the public purse.
Ooh err tax, vampires, sucking on the public purse best not go there eh! Might just have to look at Google, Amazon, Big oil et al.
Correct the drafts of the IPCC report have been leaked, strange interpretation of what they actually say form you, assuming you’ve “read” them and not relied on the press wing slant on them.
Peter and the water being sold to the Fracking Cos by WCs would come from where?
Last time I checked the WCs don’t have a magical supply hidden away with fairies, it comes from the supply system in the areas fracking would take place. Some of those areas are already suffering water stress now!
Whilst some water recovery and cleaning is possible within the industry, the cleaning leaves a very concentrated sludge with other pollutants which weren’t there when they were put down the hole, heavy metals flushed out due to very high pressure, naturally occurring radioactive materials from the drilled rock and shales. All collected in the concentrated sludge pools for disposal.
There is no reference I can find by this industry as to how and where this sludge will be disposed of.
And as I’ve pointed out, the unscrupulous driven by profit do dispose of it in ways that are totally unacceptable and illegal.