Fishing – Why?

[FishingMagic]

This is a dedicated thread for discussing article: Fishing – Why?

 

[Paul Boote]

"Which brings me to my final point. If fishing is to have a real future and hold its own against other interests, all trying to stake a claim to various bits of the countryside, including rivers and lakes, and claiming to provide healthy activities for children to take part in, then it should have strong representation. It should have the means to influence and lobby politicians and other decision-makers."


The only people who will put the fear of God into dim or venal, eye-ever-on-a-pension and retirement to Deep England politicos and other denizens are not the same-breed schmoozers who have elbowed and self-selected themselves into representing Anglers; this kind will will merely roll over at the next offer of sponsorship or invitation to a day's / week's juicy, impossibly private fishing somewhere. It's the presently disappeared, "Shut up and pull some ragwort", much-vilified as "apathetic" masses who, if given a stake, a voice, in the public and political side of Angling, will really kick a'se. Till then, it's just Great and Good Old Boys talking and socialising with the same.

 

[bennygesserit]

"Which brings me to my final point. If fishing is to have a real future and hold its own against other interests, all trying to stake a claim to various bits of the countryside, including rivers and lakes, and claiming to provide healthy activities for children to take part in, then it should have strong representation. It should have the means to influence and lobby politicians and other decision-makers."


The only people who will put the fear of God into dim or venal, eye-ever-on-a-pension and retirement to Deep England politicos and other denizens are not the same-breed schmoozers who have elbowed and self-selected themselves into representing Anglers; this kind will will merely roll over at the next offer of sponsorship or invitation to a day's / week's juicy, impossibly private fishing somewhere. It's the presently disappeared, "Shut up and pull some ragwort", much-vilified as "apathetic" masses who, if given a stake, a voice, in the public and political side of Angling, will really kick a'se. Till then, it's just Great and Good Old Boys talking and socialising with the same.

how is that utopia to be achieved ?

 

[Paul Boote]

how is that utopia to be achieved ?

Ah yes, the "Utopia"s and "Cloud Cuckoo Land"s and "Live in the real world" (this to me from one newly unelected High and Mighty, here, not many months ago) of shadowy "Only WE can articulate you Little People's concerns and wishes to Almighty Zeus. We are the ONLY conduit and mouthpiece." Olympians everywhere.

Sorry, (fellow) Olympians, you know as well as I do that you've been using that line since ancient Greece's post-Bronze Age move into Athens and the City States.

 

[greenie62]

how is that utopia to be achieved ?

I took what Paul was saying to be a Marxist-type call to arms: "Anglers of the UK UNITE!" and "Down with the unelected plutocrats and their running-dogs"!
Maybe I misunderstood!

 

[thecrow]

Read all that and agreed with some bits of it until i came to this bit

And of course the organisation which represents us should have the will and the means to recruit new anglers, including principally young ones. So that our sport has a real future

It does not represent me nor does it represent the majority, who told them i wanted to be represented? who told them that they were the ones to do it?

How much of the joining fees is used to pay saleries?

"Your sport needs you" whats that mean?

 

[Paul Boote]

I took what Paul was saying to be a Marxist-type call to arms: "Anglers of the UK UNITE!" and "Down with the unelected plutocrats and their running-dogs"!
Maybe I misunderstood!

Marx, Mao and all that last millennium ideological sh**e? Nope. Never read them, never associated with people who have, let alone those who had read and believed. Same with any ANY ideology: they only provide a good living for those who dream up and advocate then force others to live them.

Like this strutting airhead, for example - http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...on-to-consist-mainly-of-nutters-2014102492100

 

[nicepix]

how is that utopia to be achieved ?

Ah yes, the "Utopia"s and "Cloud Cuckoo Land"s and "Live in the real world" (this to me from one newly unelected High and Mighty, here, not many months ago) of shadowy "Only WE can articulate you Little People's concerns and wishes to Almighty Zeus. We are the ONLY conduit and mouthpiece." Olympians everywhere.

Sorry, (fellow) Olympians, you know as well as I do that you've been using that line since ancient Greece's post-Bronze Age move into Athens and the City States.

Obviously he doesn't know.

 

[Paul Boote]

Now, that "doesn't know" merely echoes some rivery trust-type people who spent much of the early to late Noughties picking over then questioning my least word (on ANYTHING), becoming very rude when out-debated, then asking me to "Join us and change things from within." (old, neutralising ploy), becoming even ruder when I very politely declined, then finally asked me after a few years of this stuff to attend their annual dinner in London (private email from me to inviter: "No can do, I regret. Cannot leave this place from seven in the evening till seven the next morning, haven't done in two years - bed-bound, often critically ill, stroke-victim octogenarian mother to be cared for. Try brunch between 7.00am and 12.00 noon - I get some respite with visiting carers in these hours ."

No reply, just immediate redoubled rudeness on the forum concerned.

So, not so much doesn't know, more like won't talk, particularly to the piscatorially unspeakable.

 

[nicepix]

Now, that "doesn't know" merely echoes some rivery trust-type people who spent much of the early to late Noughties picking over then questioning my least word (on ANYTHING), becoming very rude when out-debated, then asking me to "Join us and change things from within." (old, neutralising ploy), becoming even ruder when I very politely declined, then finally asked me after a few years of this stuff to attend their annual dinner in London (private email from me to inviter: "No can do, I regret. Cannot leave this place from seven in the evening till seven the next morning, haven't done in two years - bed-bound, often critically ill, stroke-victim octogenarian mother to be cared for. Try brunch between 7.00am and 12.00 noon - I get some respite with visiting carers in these hours ."

No reply, just immediate redoubled rudeness on the forum concerned.

So, not so much doesn't know, more like won't talk, particularly to the piscatorially unspeakable.

So why bother posting at all?

 

[Paul Boote]

Always happy to talk with those who aren't part of the problem.

 

[smudger172]

So why bother posting at all?

I wish he would not . I have never read so much criptic claptrap in my life............

 

[Paul Boote]

Yes, I know, I am awful.....

 

[bennygesserit]

Ah yes, the "Utopia"s and "Cloud Cuckoo Land"s and "Live in the real world" (this to me from one newly unelected High and Mighty, here, not many months ago) of shadowy "Only WE can articulate you Little People's concerns and wishes to Almighty Zeus. We are the ONLY conduit and mouthpiece." Olympians everywhere.

Sorry, (fellow) Olympians, you know as well as I do that you've been using that line since ancient Greece's post-Bronze Age move into Athens and the City States.

so we should just try banging our saucepans then.

 

[Paul Boote]

so we should just try banging our saucepans then.

Very popular with Argentines, who hit the streets with their pots and bang them outside the Casa Rosada mansion of Government in downtown Buenos Aires at the least drop of a dictator. Never works.

 

[nicepix]

Now, that "doesn't know" merely echoes some rivery trust-type people who spent much of the early to late Noughties picking over then questioning my least word (on ANYTHING), becoming very rude when out-debated, then asking me to "Join us and change things from within." (old, neutralising ploy), becoming even ruder when I very politely declined, then finally asked me after a few years of this stuff to attend their annual dinner in London (private email from me to inviter: "No can do, I regret. Cannot leave this place from seven in the evening till seven the next morning, haven't done in two years - bed-bound, often critically ill, stroke-victim octogenarian mother to be cared for. Try brunch between 7.00am and 12.00 noon - I get some respite with visiting carers in these hours ."

No reply, just immediate redoubled rudeness on the forum concerned.

So, not so much doesn't know, more like won't talk, particularly to the piscatorially unspeakable.

I take it that you are referring to your spat with the Wandle Trust circa 2007? If a serious incident of pollution of the river wasn't enough. They had your unhelpful input from 17th Oct to deal with.

Don't flatter yourself, Paulie. Which of the two of us spends hours in front of his PC in a darkened room, constructing limply satirical "Fishing Fantasies" about non-existent rivers to drive divisions between the branches of our common sport, repeatedly telling everyone who'll listen that he's a really, really, *really* good fisherman - and which of us is actually out there doing something positive, trying to leave a river healthier and happier than when he found it?

I think that Theo won that one :wh

The Board ? Printable Version of Topic ? Another Wandle pollution Fish Kill

 

[Paul Boote]

I take it that you are referring to your spat with the Wandle Trust circa 2007? If a serious incident of pollution of the river wasn't enough. They had your unhelpful input from 17th Oct to deal with.



I think that Theo won that one :wh

The Board � Printable Version of Topic � Another Wandle pollution Fish Kill

Smiles indulgently at the above poster, the man who joined Barbel Fishing World in 2005 or 2006 and immediately branded me a "benefit cheat", whilst I was caring for my sick mother for free, financed by myself, out of savings (I wasn't even claiming Carer's Allowance until I was told there was such a thing two years into her four years of final illness). A true trainspotter and stalker, Nicepix, known in the real world as Clive Kenyon.

As for the page you have unearthed - oh, Pish and Tush. I kept EVERY, insane, multi-page exchange from that time and have them in files and folders encrypted in three different locations. They make VERY interesting reading, especially, as whenever the Gents concerned lost heavily in debate and were made to look like frothing fools, they immediately got their site owner pal to lock then delete the thread, to disappear it forever. I have all of those snarky threads; they would make very uncomfortable reading for some of those fellas now - HOW they serially completely lost it, for such types fairly hate losing. All in the Boote Archive.

 

[nicepix]

Smiles indulgently at the above poster, the man who joined Barbel Fishing World in 2005 or 2006 and immediately branded me a "benefit cheat", whilst I was caring for my sick mother for free, financed by myself, out of savings (I wasn't even claiming Carer's Allowance until I was told there was such a thing two years into her four years of final illness). A true trainspotter and stalker, Nicepix, known in the real world as Clive Kenyon.

As for the page you have unearthed - oh, Pish and Tush. I kept EVERY, insane, multi-page exchange from that time and have them in files and folders encrypted in three different locations. They make VERY interesting reading, especially, as whenever the Gents concerned lost heavily in debate and were made to look like frothing fools, they immediately got their site owner pal to lock then delete the thread, to disappear it forever. I have all of those snarky threads; they would make very uncomfortable reading for some of those fellas now - HOW they serially completely lost it, for such types fairly hate losing. All in the Boote Archive.

But of course you will not be able to publish evidence of any the above as it remains a figment of your somewhat vivid imagination. In the same way that you will not post your own suggestions on solving the problems raised in the FM article. We will just have to take your word that you alone can solve problems what others struggle to comprehend.

 

[Paul Boote]

Anything you say, "mate". We believe ya.

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[Cliff Hatton]

Oh, dear................I put the joy of fishing down to this: only by using our time and our skills will we ever get to see the beauty of what, exactly, lives beneath the surface of that river or pond. Non anglers would barely believe thir eyes if they were to see a 12lb barbel or a 20lb pike on fresh morning grass. By the way....weren't ABBA great?