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Old 08-07-2012, 05:59
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they were announced with great fanfare, and certainly contain many of the high profile members of the angling community
so does anyone know what they've been up to, or will be up to
the ambassador terry hearn was on tight lines a couple of weeks back, but keith failed to mention his ambassadorship, or ambassadorial activities
perhaps if an ambassador is registered on this forum, he could share with us all, his experiences during the role, and his aspirations for the future
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:56
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perhaps if an ambassador is registered on this forum, he could share with us all, his experiences during the role, and his aspirations for the future
I think that Ruth from echocarp is a member who used to contribute here . . . .

I too would be interested in hearing how these ambassadors have fared.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:04
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they were announced with great fanfare, and certainly contain many of the high profile members of the angling community
so does anyone know what they've been up to, or will be up to
the ambassador terry hearn was on tight lines a couple of weeks back, but keith failed to mention his ambassadorship, or ambassadorial activities
perhaps if an ambassador is registered on this forum, he could share with us all, his experiences during the role, and his aspirations for the future

given the dismissive nature of Mike Heylin's post on the shambolic thread I wouldn't hold your breath
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Good post from the op

Anyone heard any activities
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the ambassador terry hearn was on tight lines a couple of weeks back, but keith failed to mention his ambassadorship, or ambassadorial activities.
Given the fact that Keith Arthur spends most of his time waffling about himself, his own opinions and his own beliefs, even when in the presence of an angling great such as Terry Hearn, means that I was not surprised that he did not mention it.

Arthur is so wrapped up in himself that I am surprised anyone appears on his show more than once.
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I'm not a member of the angling trust.

Fear not though, I wear a crucifix.

I can see many people are passionate that everyone join up, and I understand that. Good intentions etc.

However, I had sympathy with the guy on Keith Arthur's radio show, who phoned up and berated Keith a little, for practically telling us to join every week, but never having anybody on. I half wonder if that caller was Terry M!?

It grates with me that people are aggressively insisting we join the AT, but we never hear from them, and more to the point never hear of exactly what physical, actual, hard benefits to anglers like me.

I had a look at their website and it all seems a bit wishy-washy re solid progress on things important to me.

What have they done to improve my club waters and day ticket waters? As far as I know my club does a great job of maintaining and stocking, all by themselves. There are no big, fat Americans around (the crayfish, I mean), and no bird watchers are trying to buy it and no animal rights protestors have snapped my rod. My local river, the beautiful stour, is monopolised by clubs which charge a small fortune to join. The free bits are full of litter and scumbags and the day ticket bits are over-crowded. Do they do anything to stop clubs taking on stupid amounts of water including great stretches of the best rivers, and charge £150 to £250 for the privilege so that only a retiree/fulltime angler with a good pension can get his money's worth in a year?.....or are these the kind of elite clubs they are in and they love?

The club I'm in is £50 a year, has 8 excellent lakes and plenty of stream fishing.

Now, if they freed up some bigger stretches of the Stour (without needing a hellicopter to gain access) or if they went around pushing po...achers in the water, I'd join for a lot more than 50p!
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Great post Bub !

The fear with the ATr is that its a jobs for the boys type deal.

Last year I bought a license from the post office but they gave me the wrong one ( the 17 pound one ) i was told I had to claim the money back and by another license, I bought another license but never claimed the money back. Lets say every angler bought a double license , i.e. a license for four rods , wouldnt that do more good for our fishing than spending the money joining the AT ?
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we never hear from them
Oh if only that were the case some days!!!

Of course, in order to hear a lot of stuff you do have to be a part of it and by not joining or taking an active part you are bound to be excluded to some degree. However, they do release plenty (oh so many 'plenty') of press releases on either their achievements or on cases they are fighting or events they are holding.

For me it's an even greater number of 'plenty' since I get them still because I was once an editor of this site, I get them duplicated because I am secretary of the TVAA which also acts as an Angling Trust Consultative, and they are also sent out to the Secretary of the Angling Trust Thames Region Forum who also sends them, yet again, to me because I also sit on that body. How I sometime wished we did never hear from them, three or four emails per day, not counting duplicates and triplicates! (And there's even more when emails fly around to the EA Hydro Sub-committee, because daft old me is on that also - representing the ATr)

But fear not, even with your Crucifix on, for many of those same press releases are published on Fishingmagic, just read the front page! A lot of those stories originate from the Angling Trust.

Of course not everything they are doing is broadcasted immediately and most won't be updated to the general membership until such time as there is a conclusion, successfully, we hope. There are a great body of people scattered across the country who are fighting for anglers' rights and the protection of fish and it's all coordinated by the Angling Trust. There's also the work carried out by Fish Legal pursuing the polluters of our rivers, which some of your membership goes towards, of would if you joined.

In fact, as I've been writing this the ATr's Chairman, Mike Heylin, has just sent yet another email to our ATTRF groups wondering/questioning why the EA granted permissions and licences for the building of the Romney Hydro scheme that should have been working last November and still sits there motionless since someone forgot to connect it to Windsor Castle and asks if this is gross incompetence. That same email is also sent to the head management at the EA Thames regional HQ to drive the point home. It's subtle, it's background, the public never usually hear of it, but it goes on continuously and often works.

OK, so I am a member of Angling Trust, proud of it, and I will tell you what they are there NOT to do. They do NOT get involved telling clubs and individuals what they can and can't do re where to fish or what waters they can acquire or how much they can charge. They are NOT there to come along and 'improve' your waters or pick up litter, that's down to you, your club and your regional EA fisheries team (get involved!) Furthermore, because of anglers like yourself who do/will not join for whatever lame reason you can find, they do NOT have the funds to buy up precious waters like the RSPB do to protect them for all anglers, sadly.

What they have achieved though in the three+ years since they were established as one national group has been nothing short of remarkable. But why should you believe that when to castigate them for not making you read of their successes is a much easier option. And it saves you £25 a year.

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Lets say every angler bought a double license , i.e. a license for four rods , wouldnt that do more good for our fishing than spending the money joining the AT ?
Benny, I wrote an article a while back statign why we need both the EA (fisheries) and the Angling Trust.

I WOULD POINT YOU TO IT WITH A LINK BUT SOMETIME AGO 'SOMEONE' AT FM CHANGED MY STATUS AND I CAN NO LONGER VIEW ARTICLES.

I simply get the message
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You don't have sufficient privileges to view this page."


That's what you get for being a previous editor of FM!!! Thanks a bundle and one reason I don't post much on here any longer.
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Jeff you mention Mike Heylin , why haven't the AT removed the deliberately misleading photos of fish supposedly mangled in British Hydro schemes ?
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Jeff you mention Mike Heylin , why haven't the AT removed the deliberately misleading photos of fish supposedly mangled in British Hydro schemes ?
Ermmmmmmm, because they were, it seems. Just not the type of hydro scheme Pondy and his group are proposing.

I can now post a link to that article - It is 'ATr v EA - The Battle'

The only way I could find it was by signing off FM and viewing it as joe soap. As Jeff Woodhouse a former editor of FM I am NOT allowed to read my own work... Pathetic!
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