Is a marina subject to river closed season?

[thames mudlarker]

I think it just needs scrapping, seems to me fewer anglers use the rivers and canals, so there's less pressure on spawning fish.


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I've specialised in fishing on rivers for some 36 years and have many other freinds who also only ever prefer to fish rivers,

There's an awful lot more people who fish rivers than what one might think

Personally I'm all for the close season as it really doesn't bother me in the slightest if I don't fish em for a whole 3 months, I'd call it giving the fish some respect but sadly a lot don't seem to care about that these days,

A lot of em all there actually interested in is there own ego :wh

The close season not only allows the fish to do their thing un disturbed but also allows for all other bank side animals, birds and vegetation to reproduce once again :thumbs:

Can't think of the last time I actually fished a Stillwater not that I've got anything against em as I'd probably fish the odd few natural lakes and ponds now and again during the close season but I certainly wouldn't be seen on those horrible artificial muddy pools that are called commercials mg:

 

[thecrow]

This closed season thing has been done to death on here and although I was an advocate for keeping it I slowly changed my views, I wouldn't mind so much if it was all waters but the way it is at the minute is ridiculous, if its to protect spawning fish then it should stretch from January to possibly August if all species were to be covered, that would just be daft but not as daft as what we have now. Anyroad I for one will be very interested in what the EA say about Shardlow marina will be open or closed.

 

[theartist]

I'd be surprised if the marina is open it must be connected to the river therefore subject to river rules. The only concession I can see is that if the marina is on a canalized section of river which is a navigation which could be subject to canal rules.

 

[Keith M]

Our club has a backwater which branches off from the river which has barbel chub etc. swimming in and out of it; much as a marina would and that is subject to the river closed season; so I would be very surprised if your marina is not covered by the river closed season.

Keith

 

[wardalan1987]

All I have spoken to a lady at the EA just now. They have said that it is not a straight forward answer as some are not subject to the closed season and depends upon many different factors.

It has been referred to a fisheries officer in the local area who has said they will investigate it for me and give me a call back at some point today.

When I get a call back I will provide another update.


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[thames mudlarker]

Our club has a backwater which branches off from the river which has barbel chub etc. swimming in and out of it; much as a marina would and that is subject to the river closed season; so I would be very surprised if your marina is not covered by the river closed season.

Keith

Yea Keith yer absolutely right, I know exactly where yer on about " Leasey " :thumbs:

 

[wardalan1987]

Right I have had confirmation.

"The marina is a manmade pool therefore is not part of the river. If it was a natural pool then this would be different. Therefore this is viewed in the same light as a canal that adjoins a river. It is down to the land owner if they wish to impose a closed season and in this instance they have chosen not to. You are allowed to fish right upto the mouth of the river however it is not permitted to cast into the river!"

Hopefully this helps to clear up the decidedly grey area associated to the closed season. The best way to approach this is ask yourself is this a manmade structure. If this is the case then it appears to be down to the owner of the land if this is open all year round or not.

Seems to make sense in an illogical sort of way.


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[no-one in particular]

Great stuff, I am off too dig a little lagoon out of the river bank and drop my float in it. Oh, and a day license, oops, mustn't forget.

 

[theartist]

That's cleared absolutely nothing up lol and if that's the official stance from the EA then it goes to show how complicated it all is. There are many marinas where you could get in trouble for fishing this time of year as you would for fishing the backwater previously mentioned by KeithM.

If I was you mate i'd get that in writing and print it out as it could be one of those 'Well that wasn't what your lot said before' scenarios when you get you collar felt by the EA patrols (on a bank holiday of course) who have a different set of instructions.

I'd be wary that the 'man made' argument would apply everywhere in the country to marinas and backwaters that join rivers.

 

[wardalan1987]

Oh I would definitely say that it is always safest to check with the EA rather than just guessing. It's not worth the penalties associated with getting caught somewhere you shouldn't be, it's also clear that it's not always straight forward as it's down to the local authority and the land owner.

I would hope that it was reliable information as it came from our local fisheries officer however your right, I will drop them an email asking for them to confirm this to me.

I sure at times governing bodies over complicate these matters as a source of additional income.

I'm glad I don't work for them.....


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[thecrow]

If I was you mate i'd get that in writing and print it out as it could be one of those 'Well that wasn't what your lot said before' scenarios when you get you collar felt by the EA patrols (on a bank holiday of course) who have a different set of instructions.

I thought that and am just about to e mail the EA asking about the marina, if I get a positive reply from them I will put it on here so that anyone that wants to can print it off.

 

[wardalan1987]

Thanks thecrow, as your dropping them an email I won't as not to inundate them with the same question.

I'm quite intrigued as to how they will word the conformation.


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[lutra]

From reading the EA rules, the only waters you can coarse fish in the coarse closed season are enclosed still waters. So if there isn't a physical barrier between it and the river, it seems you can't coarse fish it unless the local EA byelaws for that area say other wise.

 

[thecrow]

I have read through the Severn Trent bye laws and I am still none the wiser, tried to copy a link but a usual with me have been unsuccessful, I will keep trying though.

Don't know if this will work https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/361607/LIT_10025.pdf

 

[wardalan1987]

I can confirm that there is no barrier of any kind between the marina and river.

It all seems like a very odd set of rules. The general fishing community really don't stand much of a chance knowing for certain where you can and can't fish. The entire system is over complicated in my personal opinion.


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[lutra]

Seems very obvious from a quick look on google earth that it's part of the river with no physical barrier. ( loch gates, ........). So it's shut or should be.

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I can confirm that there is no barrier of any kind between the marina and river.

It all seems like a very odd set of rules. The general fishing community really don't stand much of a chance knowing for certain where you can and can't fish. The entire system is over complicated in my personal opinion.


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No it's very simple. If it's not enclosed, you can't fish it. How hards that?

 

[thecrow]

No it's very simple. If it's not enclosed, you can't fish it. How hards that?

If you read the bye laws you will find its as clear as mud, an angler can still fish in the Severn Trent area in rivers for trout and also for Eels there are restrictions on what bait can be used though.

 

[lutra]

If you read the bye laws you will find its as clear as mud, an angler can still fish in the Severn Trent area in rivers for trout and also for Eels there are restrictions on what bait can be used though.

But you can't coarse fish in the coarse closed season on any river in England and Wales. It's not hard.

 

[thecrow]

But you can't coarse fish in the coarse closed season on any river in England and Wales. It's not hard.

As I said if you read the bye laws.............. obvious that you haven't so here's a bit from the Severn Trent catchment area which the said marina is within.


When and where can I fish for eels?
You can fish for eels with rod and line in most fisheries throughout the year - the only exception is during the coarse fish close season on designated Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSIs) listed in table 1 below..
Where the coarse fish close season applies you may fish for eels provided you do not use a hook with a gape of less than 0.5 inches (12.7mm) and use either artificial or natural fly (which term excludes bloodworms, jokers and other midge larvae), spinners, minnows, worms, prawns or shrimps as bait. You may keep eel in a keepnet or keep sack but you must return them to the water. This is a regional byelaw.
When can I fish for trout?


The close season for brown trout and rainbow trout in rivers, and for brown trout in unenclosed stillwaters, is the period from 8th. October to 17th.March inclusive.

There is more but like I said you have to read the bye laws, it goes on to say what baits can and cannot be used along with some items of tackle that cannot be used.


Here is a bit from the Yorkshire region bye laws, it would appear that an angler can fish for Trout in rivers as long as other stipulations are adhered to,

The close season for all non-migratory trout in
rivers, streams, drains and canals and for
brown trout in all waters other than enclosed
stillwaters, is from 1 October to 24 March
inclusive.

 

[Neil Maidment]

Well done "Waralan" for doing the legwork.

It is a "minefield"!

Not all canals or all enclosed stillwaters are open, many are closed to coarse fishing during the Closed Season.

My preference is for a Closed Season across the board but that is not going to happen. Neither will the current befuddled state be changed.

Anyone who wants to coarse fish between 15th March and 15th June and is not sure of his/her venues should really do their homework.