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Old 07-11-2013, 22:13
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Just wondering if anyone else has had problems with freshwater deadbaits, namely Roach, floating even when thawed? If so, any advice to solve the problem?
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Old 07-11-2013, 23:45
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Default Re: Deadbait Advice needed!

baiting needle up their @rse aimed at the top of the head! Apart from float fishing or paternoster I can't see the problem tbh.. when I deadbait one of two rods is always a popped up roach, sometimes both, if freshwater baits are allowed. Often they'll outfish bottom baits. You can always put some weight to hold it down just behind the tail hook... that can be deadly on pressured waters.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:36
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Default Re: Deadbait Advice needed!

Usually they float for one of two reasons...

Either they have been in the freezer for too long and dried out or the swim bladder inside the fish is still inflated.

Stabbing the fish with a baiting needle in the right place usually cures the latter.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:42
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Default Re: Deadbait Advice needed!

As pointngo says it is a possible advantage. Some people buy sticks to insert into deadbaits to make them bouyant!
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:53
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I used to kill my deadbaits in air to produce exactly the effect you describe.

If you see a freshly dead fish on the bottom it floats belly up with just the upper tip of its tail fin touching the bottom, by having air inside the swim bladder you can produce exactly the same effect.
Its usual to apply a small amount of weight to the trace to achieve the perfect presentation but when you do it can be deadly indeed.

On waters that are rarely fished for Pike, estate lakes, working quarries, carp lakes, etc a deadbait along the marginal shelf or reed-bed presented as above can far outfish any exotic from a tackle shop freezer.

Not quite as good a 3-4lb Pike livebait, but almost
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Old 08-11-2013, 12:23
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Default Re: Deadbait Advice needed!

Thanks for all the responses! I thought it was more of a problem than it is! Tbh these roach were in the freezer a while!
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Old 09-11-2013, 16:57
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Default Re: Deadbait Advice needed!

Just be carefull if you do decide to allow your bait to pop up.
If you are float legering the bait can lift up and be close to the mainline. This can easily lead to you being bitten off unless you are using a wire uptrace.
Annoying for you but could be fatal to a pike as it swallows bait and hooks.
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Old 09-11-2013, 22:06
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If you going to use any Pike dead bait on the bottom you should place a weight, four SSG shot are ideal, four feet from the actual bait.

Remember a 25lb+ Pike is 42" or more long so you should allow for such a fish to swim around the dead bait from all directions without touching the line and getting spooked.

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If you going to use any Pike dead bait on the bottom you should place a weight, four SSG shot are ideal, four feet from the actual bait.

Remember a 25lb+ Pike is 42" or more long so you should allow for such a fish to swim around the dead bait from all directions without touching the line and getting spooked.

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sorry but I disagree with that. Having the weight so far away from the bait gives the pike too much freedom to swallow it without a take being indicated, so could easily lead to deep hooking. If it's something you worry about then it would be better/safer to have a heavy weight next to the traces swivel and set the float 2-3ft overdepth, but tighten right up to the lead so the line lays a bit flatter. Personally I don't think it's necessary though. A safer way would be to just ledger for them in that instance. Sensitive bite indication is critical to avoid deep hooking pike.

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sorry but I disagree with that. Having the weight so far away from the bait gives the pike too much freedom to swallow it without a take being indicated, so could easily lead to deep hooking. If it's something you worry about then it would be better/safer to have a heavy weight next to the traces swivel and set the float 2-3ft overdepth, but tighten right up to the lead so the line lays a bit flatter. Personally I don't think it's necessary though. A safer way would be to just ledger for them in that instance. Sensitive bite indication is critical to avoid deep hooking pike.
I only speak from experience and a fairly long list of plus 20s caught on the above rig.
I have never had a deep hooked fish on this rig, ever......seriously!

My method is to let the bait settle, slowly draw back around 4' of line by hand, and use cut tho sections of plastic tube indicators on a long drop loop between the reel and the butt ring.

A take is indicated by the front end of the plastic tube dropping half an inch or so (I've always reckoned that this is when the Pike blows the bait off the bottom to take it in its mouth tho I have no proof of this) the tube then remains in this front down position for around 30seconds before slowly rising towards the butt ring.
At this point I pick up the rod, remove the tube, point the rod down the line and wind until the line becomes tight, then raise the rod into its fighting curve and hold hard, if its a decent fish it will be securely hooked.
If the bait comes back its usually a small fish and missing those doesn't matter anyway.

My preferred baits are 8-12oz with 2x6s trebles 4" apart or a 4/0 circle if the bait is smaller, all on 3foot 30-40lb traces, my 4xSSGs are on a fixed loop of light line.

I prefer to fish alone, have used the same pair of rods and reels for over 50 years, have never used electronics and all my baits are fresh or of that season.

I am merely offering advice on what works for me, as in all aspects of angling nothing is definitive.

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