River Loddon gets a Woody Debris Makeover

all looks great till you realise a wildlife group assisted, but no anglers if you live in that area, do everyone a favour, and go 'elp 'em a better headline might be, wildlife group help improve river, but not anglers these activities enable anglers to be understood by non anglers, and its a wasted opportunity to get the message about hydropower across

Perhaps you may want to see this from 2010/2011where anglers have been involved, also on the Loddon.. http://www.barbelsociety.co.uk/images/IanWatsonBF30.pdf If when you have read that and it interests you enough, you can see part 2 here http://www.barbelsociety.co.uk/images/IanWatsonBF31.pdf

all looks great till you realise a wildlife group assisted, but no anglers if you live in that area, do everyone a favour, and go 'elp 'em a better headline might be, wildlife group help improve river, but not anglers these activities enable anglers to be understood by non anglers, and its a wasted opportunity to get the message about hydropower across There are anglers. The waters concerned are very exclusive, unknown to mere mortals, trout water - I used to fish them. ---------- Post added at 10:12 ---------- Previous post was at 09:27 ---------- Through the dear old gentleman mentioned here - Thames - The Final Generation - General - PurePiscator - Bertram Hoare, "The Chairman", whose family owned much of the land on which Basingstoke was built. He was born on the 19th June 1901, not 1904 as I wrote in the # 7 posting above. One of the finest dry fly fishers ever, in my opinion, even in his eighties, and, better still, a true gentleman, a gentleman by nature and character not merely by accident of aristocratic and Hoares of Stourhead banking birth.

Paul, you reminded me of a favourite poem Like Them We Are Just Mere Mortals Through our circumstance of birth and Nationality we may feel of superior kind But the good and bad in other races in our travels we will find We may look on some to us as inferior see them as weeds amongst the flowers But to us they must be equal since their blood flows red like ours. Yes their blood flows red like our blood proof of that you do not need And like them we are only mortal and when we cut ourselves we bleed To them we are only equal though you do not see it that way We are born out of woman and for each of us a final day. Like them we are just mere mortals nothing less or nothing more And that is only stating something that has often been said before The greats of human history were mortals like you and I We all are born out of woman and we all are born to die. We may feel that we are special and our own praises we may sing But our circumstances of birth and Nationality really does not prove a thing Their blood is red like our blood and that applies to all And like them to the Reaper's scythe one day we too must fall. Francis Duggan

That poem puts things perfectly Jason. People with delusions of grandeur should read it very day.

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Two threads racing neck and neck which will be locked first - poor moderators

Paul, as much as i would like to spar with you on literacy i feel there's no point:) basically because i'm duslexic and rely on spell cheks.....however i don't think your much up on modern poets who wuold find the likes of you out! I have to add to the original topic though..... over the last 5 years kidlington angling society have been trying to get to grip with how you manage a fishery with all the threats to fish stocks nowadays....predation, low flows and out of kilter water quality...basically we have in all this time worked with mainly the local EA fisheries officer, wild trout trust and barbel society. I have to say after being on the river for the last month or so working hard with a good friend on the back of a load of work by the ea,bs and wtt we are what i would say providing what is the optimun habitat the conditions would allow. If i had the knowhow i would post aload of pics, the intsream cover is now immense....we have managed the tree falls from crayfish burrowing collapses to make ideal habitat, natural falls the same and created our own where needed...we have had to be mindfull not to upset the ea ops fllod team and depite them not letting us know there plans this year we just hope they wont rob us again as they have in the past. the only worry we have and i know this is a **** off of Ray Walton is anglers being i n the water hacking away at this time of year....i think the work we carry out is for definate the better of the optional evils get in your river!

Paul, as much as i would like to spar with you on literacy i feel there's no point:) basically because i'm duslexic and rely on spell cheks.....however i don't think your much up on modern poets who wuold find the likes of you out! Modern poets? The only ones I read these days (the only old one now being T.S. Eliot - re-reads of his Four Quartets and The Waste Land). Modern poets and rivers? Try Alice Oswald (born 1966) and her poem, Dart, about the Devon river. Here is a programme that features her - BBC iPlayer - The Essay: The Path and the Poem: Dart As for rivers ... well, they tend to thrive on benign neglect: those whose fallen timber goes uncleared tend to be fine.

Modern poets? The only ones I read these days (the only old one now being T.S. Eliot - re-reads of his Four Quartets and The Waste Land). Modern poets and rivers? Try Alice Oswald (born 1966) and her poem, Dart, about the Devon river. Here is a programme that features her - BBC iPlayer - The Essay: The Path and the Poem: Dart As for rivers ... well, they tend to thrive on benign neglect: those whose fallen timber goes uncleared tend to be fine. Paul whats the one that compares fish to slippery bars of metal ? Its something like "unattainable bar of metal" slipping beneath the surface Defo bars of metal anyway - I have googled all over the place for it - can't find it.

thing is when your on a widening flood plain theres little chance of things being left natural...the wealthy with there manicured river frontages and there rising insurance policies demand through there mp that river becomes a flood relief channel...and then there is the developers and the need for more! what chance natural then?

Benny: Sounds a bit like the late, great Ted Hughes - try his "River Poems". Natural? Not much hope, with the mad rain we are getting increasingly often these days. Look at the Aber' area of west Wales (used to fish the Rheidol & Ystwyth years ago) at present - mad mad unprecedented rain, mad floods ... "There must be defences.....".

Sounds a bit like the late, great Ted Hughes - try his "River Poems". Thanks ! I'll check , Des Taylor or someone , I think , quoted it in the AT about a year ago if that helps. ---------- Post added at 21:50 ---------- Previous post was at 21:45 ---------- No just scooped up a pdf of all his poems and searched for metal - the phrase I was after isn't there - but thanks for trying.

nice one fred for the link, but it still dont explain why anglers aint mentioned in the article anglers doing their bit with other anglers, yeah great and more power to their elbow, but as non anglers only see the back of anglers heads, it would be beneficial to engage with these other organisations far more often anyways it still sucks that anglers dont get a mention, no doubt most of the readership aint anglers either

nice one fred for the link, but it still dont explain why anglers aint mentioned in the article anglers doing their bit with other anglers, yeah great and more power to their elbow, but as non anglers only see the back of anglers heads, it would be beneficial to engage with these other organisations far more often anyways it still sucks that anglers dont get a mention, no doubt most of the readership aint anglers either sometimes it works both ways though, round my way on the cherwell we've tried to get local wildlife groups involved but to be honest they aint got a clue and in all honesty dont seem to care....they seem to believe all the tosh that our rivers have never been so clean

They might also feel that there are much nicer people to do environmental things with. I know some in the Wildlife Trusts, people who've known me and me them for a good few years, both in Wales and South East England, who think that anglers - at least the politicos that they have met and had to deal with - are not merely greedy primadonnas - "Terrible twos - right little tyrants" one lady called them in a conversation with me several years ago - but down there with murdering gamekeepers. So, can the cowman and the farmer be friends? Not judging by the way some of us bully and hack bits off each other just for the fun of it, as some sort of inter-Angler bloodsport.

nice one jason and paul, you're both right and heartening to hear that you're trying the reputation that anglers have amongst the non-angling public, is based upon the backs of their heads, or the confrontation when a non-angler interferes with what an angler does to change it on an individual basis, we gotta turn around and say hello, and if we're able to scour the local papers for non-angling groups community activities, then we gotta go and assist 'em, we cant expect them to come to us, and rest assured, all these groups have grief getting volunteers, so you'll be assured of a very warm welcome, and the opportunity to have your angling values explained to the great non-angling public wot more do you need, than your voice to be heard where it needs to be heard most, within your local community/environment, with people who care but are misinformed about anglers soz folks ended on another soap box moment, but get out there, its hard to move out of our comfort zone, but the benefits for us all are obvious