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Avon Float Trotting Rig

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Mark Wintle shows us a basic trotting rig using Balsa, Avon and Chubber floats which are attached top and bottom.

 

 

The basic river float fishing method is to use a trotting float. The main trotting float types are balsa floats, stick floats, chubbers and Avon floats. Stick floats are covered in a future Stick Float Rig article.

The other three float types have their buoyancy at the top of the float with a slim tip. They should be attached at both ends using silicone rubber float tube. Their design makes them stable in moving water, and because they are attached at both ends it is possible slow the progress of the float through the swim.

Choosing a float

Balsas and chubbers are similar in shape being a cigar shape. Chubbers are usually made of clear hollow plastic and useful when you want to fish very boily water or use heavy baits like lobworms. They generally take around two to four swan shot, and a simple shotting pattern of all the shot load about a foot or two from the hook usually suffices. Balsa floats are usually built on more delicate lines to chubbers and range from small ones taking as little as 3BB to ones that overlap the chubber range. Ones with fine tips allow more delicate fishing.

280709balsacrowq.jpgFor more delicate fishing still, the crow quill Avon (pictured right) is best of all. These delicate floats have an elongated rugby ball shaped balsa body with a crow quill stem. They range from 4BB to 12BB.

There are several factors when choosing a float for trotting; these are the depth being fished, the speed of the current, the casting distance, whether you need to get the bait down quickly through nuisance fish and finally whether other influences like strong winds need to be considered. If you work on the basis of being able to cast around twenty yards, and needing some weight to beat the current and wind, then working on the basis of one AAA per foot of depth for chubbers, one BB per foot of depth for crow quill Avons and one no. 1 per foot of depth for balsas gives you have a starting point.

090728trottingrig.gifAttaching the float

These floats are usually attached with at least two float rubbers; one at the tip, and a longer one at the base. Crow quill Avons benefit from an extra float rubber just below the body of the float.

Get the line to float

Spray your reel line with a proprietary line floatant and ‘mending’ the line will be much easier.

Basic shotting patterns

The simplest shotting pattern for a trotting float is to bulk most of the shot load about two to three feet from the hook with some smaller shot as droppers between the bulk and hook. You can taper this so that you have a mini bulk of say two no. 4 a foot below the main bulk with a no. 6 or 8 a foot below this. As an alternative to a bulk of shot it is possible to use a large olivette weight instead.

Plumbing the depth

There are several techniques for plumbing the depth; the simplest is to attach a tradition cork insert plummet to the hook and adjust the depth until you are sure you have the correct depth. Because the flow of the river will lift the hook bait it is usually worth setting the float slightly over-depth. Experiment to get the depth just right.

Variations whilst fishing

There are several variations worth trying whilst fishing; changing the depth is the most obvious, but it can also be worth changing the shotting pattern to alter the presentation. To do this try moving the bulk or change the dropper shots to be smaller shot; no. 10 for no. 8 for instance or by spacing out the dropper shot differently. Sometimes you may even need to change the float for a bigger or smaller pattern or one with a more sensitive (i.e. thinner) tip. Try retarding the float more; if it tends to rise out of the water then trying adding a small shot to the bulk so that the float is ‘over-shotted’ i.e. it would sink if not held up by the line pressure. This can be effective in powerful flows.

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Comments (21 posted):

Graham Whatmore on 21/09/2009 08:51:57
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The avon float is probably the most versatile of all the river floats and no river angler worth his salt should neglect its use. Holding back an avon is easy and even the bigger ones of 4 swan plus sink link a stone when a fish, no matter how small, takes the bait leaving you in no doubt about when to strike. One method of plumbing the depth that I find useful when fishing well out is to add the necessary shot to get the right amount of tip showing then take one of the heavier shot off and squeeze it on the hook. Throw the rig out and if that telltale shot is on the bottom the float will drag under requiring you to shorten up until the float rides all the way through the swim. Woody (he of the Hereford shop) sells some cracking avon floats covering most depths of river and they are very stable. Good article Mark, river tactics and gear are something that a lot of anglers neglect these days, it needs someone like you to give them a gentle push in the right direction with articles like this.
tigger on 21/09/2009 10:08:43
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I like the avon floats but better still the bolo floats which are very similar to avons but have a longer top making them easier to see. Steve Maher's range are excellent along with the Woody floats Graham mentions.
Graham Whatmore on 21/09/2009 13:19:42
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I give up trying to put links in, it used to be such a simple thing but not now for some reason. http in http out non of them seem to work WHY?
J K on 21/09/2009 15:42:36
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I give up trying to put links in, it used to be such a simple thing but not now for some reason. http in http out non of them seem to work WHY? Graham, The link you put up that didn't work is: http://www.fishingmagic.com/404.html?url=http://www.fishingmagic.com/forums/www.floatsonline.com/woodys_floats4.php Using your above link, the link I found that worked is: www.floatsonline.com/woodys_floats4.php What I do is put the link in my message and before posting check the preview message. In preview you can click on the link to see if it works or not. In the preview on here if you click on the first part of your link you get the error message but if you click on the second part it links OK. I think in your above link it is the first part ie. the fishing magic bit that's causing the trouble. If you miss the http. bit off and start at www. the computer automatically puts http. in when it starts to search for the site. Don't despair keep on trying, remember your an Ace not a Chav. :cool:
Graham Marsden on 21/09/2009 15:51:19
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Testing Graham's link
Neil Maidment on 21/09/2009 21:07:05
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I have a definate preference for a string of smaller shot to make up the bulk. Even with a 6AAA or 7AAA float I'll create the bulk with AA's at the most and more usually BB's. Last winter I used two "bulks" and a "dropper" or two to good effect. The higher "bulk" being slightly heavier than the lower.
Graham Whatmore on 21/09/2009 22:03:52
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I tried that link firstly by copying the site url and pasting that into the link box as I have always done but it didn't work so I then tried it by starting the url from www. as you told me to before JK and that didn't work either. - At that point I began to worry about my lack of hair so I gave up :p but point about using preview has been noted, thanks.
Mark Wintle on 22/09/2009 05:48:36
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Floats like Woody's and Bolognese floats have their place on big rivers like the Wye at Hereford but are too crude for most of my fishing on the Stour and other local waters. That said I can see that using a Bolognese float might work well in one particular swim that is challenging to say the least. This rig/shotting pattern is intended as a starting point and guide for those less experienced to address a lack of simple float rigs on the site. This winter I intend trying tungsten olivettes more - it involves matching the weights to the floats beforehand - but I think it will be worth the effort. I think the denser the weight the better the presentation especially when holding back and tin shot aren't that dense.
Peter Jacobs on 22/09/2009 06:03:12
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This winter I intend trying tungsten olivettes more - it involves matching the weights to the floats beforehand - but I think it will be worth the effort. I think the denser the weight the better the presentation especially when holding back and tin shot aren't that dense. Mark, We used to fish a similar rig, back in the late 90's in Norway on the Glommar and Akerselva especially in the late autumn when the rivers were running fast and yet still very deep. You can hold back really hard with a more dense olivette as you say. It seems that the 'Bolognese' style didn't last too long in England, but again in Norway, we used it a lot on deep swims, and very effective it was too. By the way, we both know an exceptionally good float angler who uses olivette rigs as opposed to split shot . . . . . .
Graham Whatmore on 22/09/2009 06:11:27
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I don't think the likes of Woody, Hadrian Whittle, Dave Harrel etc would agree with the crude bit Mark but remember they aren't all deep swims in the town water and those floats still work brilliantly in them but in the lighter bracket of course. You are right in that the floats were initially designed for the Wye but they will fish well on all rivers, in fact the full range of his floats are as good as anything I have ever seen including the sticks. I read an article recently in Matchfishing by Hadrian Whittle (one of the best river anglers in the country) where he used one of those avons in 6ft of flood water on the Wye championships and weighed in 21lb of roach, he said no other float would have achieved the presentation that the avon gave him to catch roach in those conditions. Interestingly he gives his shotting pattern for using the avon and in nearly all cases he uses an olivette rather than a string of bulk shot and only his droppers underneath but as you say you have to use the right olivette to achieve this. Some say a large olivette hampers the strike unlike a string of AA's or BB's which are more streamlined but I guess its what you have confidence in isn't it? Most of his float rigs are stored on winders for ease of change in a match.
Peter Jacobs on 22/09/2009 06:15:31
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Some say a large olivette hampers the strike unlike a string of AA's or BB's which are more streamlined but I guess its what you have confidence in isn't it? Some of the Scandinavian and French anglers tended to lean towards that school of thought too Graham. They overcame the perceived problem by using those tungsten tube weights that you cut to size from long lengths. I've still got some of that stuff somewhere in the garage methinks.
MarkTheSpark on 22/09/2009 08:45:09
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Some of the Scandinavian and French anglers tended to lean towards that school of thought too Graham. They overcame the perceived problem by using those tungsten tube weights that you cut to size from long lengths. I've still got some of that stuff somewhere in the garage methinks. The tungsten tubing was by Sandvik, and I have some. It's amazing stuff - they should make it again for the carp boys for such tasks as backleads and hooklink weighting - easy to secure, move and adjust. I would buy more if I could, and it makes really good stick float weights. I think I am right in saying that the tall, slender tops of crowquill Avons like the old Topper Haskins floats aid bite detection because you can see when the float tilts, when the bait is taken. And they are, of course, more sensitive than Chubbers. I'm with some others in favouring shirt-button shotting but the rig Mark describes is excellent for 'anchoring' a trotted bait along one line - it's less affected by holding back, which will make a shirt-button shotted rig swing across the current
Graham Whatmore on 22/09/2009 15:23:47
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Regarding the bulk I can see no reason why two or three small shot with Kryston heavy metal extra wrapped round them shouldn't work, it can be shaped to suit and easily added or pinched off to prime the float. This would do away with the need to buy different olivettes for each float.
Old Nick on 22/09/2009 21:13:13
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Another interesting article Mark, which has got me thinking about my shotting patterns and what I am trying to achieve. I usually fish this method on rivers, and put all of my bulk shot about half way down the line between float and hook, with no dropper shot. However I have just been reading that the bulk should be between 18 inches to two feet above the hook to help slow the movement of the bait through the swim. How far from the hook would you generally put the bulk? is the placing of the shot just about the speed of moving the bait through the swim or does it have other effects such as making the presentation more natural?
chavender on 22/09/2009 21:30:28
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great article mark ,i do tend too favour the bulk shotting pattern ,i`ve tried olivettes as alternative too a long line of aaa`s but they can be bulky on the line ,so as a alternative ,whilst in one of my local tackle shops i did spy something very nice on the pike racks . Fox quick change Pop up weights ! in 2 ,3 ,4 swan weights (and in smaller sizes in the carp section) its easy too change the loading of floats if i swap a float over too a bigger or smaller one .or move them up or down the line
Steve Spiller on 22/09/2009 21:42:09
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Interesting stuff Mark. Not a trick question, but who invented/designed the Crowquill Avon? Was it Merv 'Topper' Haskins? I've been lucky enough to sit behind him and watch him work it, brilliant angler! I wish FM had a 'drawing' option, I know you don't like the way I fish the crowquill, it would be so much easier to explain and ask questions if I could draw it....
chavender on 22/09/2009 22:01:09
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steve ,do it in paint (save as jpeg) then upload it mark will confirm merv invented the crowquill avon ,there was cork on cane floats about ,a bit bulky and possibly less sensative
Mark Wintle on 23/09/2009 05:42:22
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I think that Merv Haskins developed the crowquill Avon rather than invented it. The Avon is supposedly named after the Warwickshire Avon and developed from cork on quill floats. What Topper did was make the float using balsa and combine it with using breadpunch (from the Lancashire canal anglers) to develop a style of his own for the Bristol Avon. Later he substituted styrofoam for the balsa. It was a case of the usual beg, borrow and steal ideas to bring them together into an effective method.
MarkTheSpark on 23/09/2009 07:29:36
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Merv's were a slightly different shape from the trad. Avons, too. A longer body by proportion.
Paul Williams 11 on 25/09/2009 18:37:03
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A very well put together no nonsense imformative article Mark......just at the time of year when river float fishing is coming good..........more should try it, it's a wonderful day out.
Philip on 25/09/2009 19:59:16
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I have been doing a bit of trotting recently and yes its a fantastic break from sitting behind static rods. I was also chatting to a guy earlier this year who was fishing a swim on a fast river and he was also singing the praises of the tungsten tube weights saying about the strike being better…he was also convinced that they gave a better and more consistent descent to the bait as it fell through the water. I was not totally convinced but he was certainly catching a lot of fish on the drop.
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