Rolling Meat

[TJD Notts]

Does anyone know of any articles describing how the above method works? I can vaguely remember seeing an episode of Dean Macey fishing with Ray Walton in the dim and distant past (can't remember the title of the show), anyone know where i could view this episode online?

Thinking about trying it next season on the Trent as a short session alternative to feeder fishing, is the Trent a suitable venue due to the large boulders that litter the margins/river bed? Tips on tackle/ tactics would be much appreciated.

 

[NomadPaul]

BN , try this one....

Ray Walton article

 

[Deanos]

Paul, thank you for putting the link up to thisexcellent article, hell I have to have a crack at this, right up my street!

 

[Poshpaul (Angling Trust and PaSC)]

I reckon the least Deanos can do is offer you a night with Auntie Kathleen with Pie, peas and chips thrown in!

You can have a refined tea with my Auntie Vera from Wrexham - thanks for putting us on to such a great article.

Poshers

 

[Bryan Baron 2]

Does Ray not use braid these days. I thought braid would give a better feel as to what the bait is doing.

 

[Trisantona]

Don't know if he uses braid, but that article is nine years out of date,he now uses j.w young rods and (centrepin) reels, instead of putty he wraps lead wire around the hook. anyone thinking of buying the new rods ,theycanbe obtained off ebay (£40 ish)but are highly specialised for fishing with a centrepin and the reel fittings will not tighten down on a baitrunner, but for their intended purpose are very nice,...back to original question,yes the method will work very well in certain swims at the right time on the Trent, you may have to wade a bit to get a nice run down, i think Ray Walton also uses the method to cast upstream, the joy of fishing is to try different things and learn./forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gif

 

[Ian Cloke]

A Lifetime's Addiction - Trefor West

Should be oan interesting read for you BN.

 

[TJD Notts]

Cheers lads, thought it would be good to try something different this coming season and add another string to my bow so to speak.

Do you have to use a centrepin or can you use a fix spool?

 

[Ian Cloke]

Use which ever reel you're comfortable with, there are no rules written in stone.

 

[Paul H]

I've had a crack with a fixed spool and caught a nice little chub first cast.

I think the line just comes off a little smoother with a pin.

I used 30lb braid with a fairly short mono hooklength connected by a single swivel, I pinched a couple of swan shot on the braid just above the swivel; just enough to sink it all.

It's a brilliant feeling when you get that tug on the line, give it go!

 

[TJD Notts]

The 16th can't come around quickly enough, i'm gagging to give it a go now!

 

[Paul H]

Regarding the Trent I wouldn't roll it too far each cast, like you say boulders and other snags lurking will snaffle your hook and bait.

I would find features and roll under or toward them from a few yards upstream unless you know the bottom is reasonably clean where you're fishing.

 

[TJD Notts]

That makes a lot of sense Paul. I've lost count of the number of feeders that i've lost casting into an area i thought i knew only to lose the lot to an unknown snag!

Can't believe how much i'm looking forward to trying this method out. I used to love trotting a stick float for bits when i was younger and this is kind of the same but without the float i suppose!

 

[Trisantona]

As the current will be faster at the surface than on the river bed,you need to slow the line down a little, with a centrepin this is usually done with a finger on the rim of the spool, however i am developing another method (to be called the Trisantona method lol.)in which you simply hook the line over a finger of your left hand and let the line trickle around your finger ,by simply moving your hand forward or back you can increase or decreasethe speed of the line by causing more drag around your finger and also you can feel the line tickling along, any twitches or increase will be easily felt.!/forum/smilies/big_smile_smiley.gif

 

[TJD Notts]

Have you tried using the method then Tris'? Is it easy to detect the bites and easy to strike once a bite is detected?

I was going to use the traditional open bail arm and finger pressure whilst feeling for bites with my left hand (line held gently between fingers)

 

[Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)]

On the Hampshire Avon in winter when the river is clear of weed, I have simply walked the bait downstream parallel to me on a predominantly fixed line with my finger trapping the line on the lip of the spool to allow a little line to be given if necessary.The avon is ideally suited to the method as it is largely clear of snags and has usually a fairlly boittom.You will certainly feel any bite especially with braid.

It is a little more complex in summer as you are fishing between weed runs, often from a static position where you need to cast upstream and then retrieve line as the bait trundles down the run towards you.

Great fun though.

 

[Stephen Williams 2]

I do a fair bit of "rolling" on the Middle/Upper Severn.

I find its a better summer method than in the winter.

I use mono, and wrap lead wire around the hook shank.

Using different hook patterns with longer and shorter shanks means you can increase and decrease the lead weight.

I find chest waders are a must for getting into some of the tighter spots along the bank.

I try to look for anywhere where the flow rate changes, slow to fast or fast to slow.

These tend to indicate features.

Weed beds are a great feature to role a bait through too.

Make sure your hook point is completely buried, so to avoid hooking up on the bottom.

Make sure you have a good bow in your line.

You should (even with mono) feel a "tinkling" on the line as the bait trips along the bottom.

If it gets snagged up dont pull too hard to try to release it. I normally just dip the rod top under water, which increases the pressure on the line and quite often pulls the bait out of the snag.

If it wont come free, wind up slowly to the bait and try to bounce it out.

Its rare to get completely snagged, but it dose happen.

Bites, IMO tend to be either "slack liners" where all the tension goes and you need to wind up quickly till you feel the fish then nail it hard.

Or you get a "sharp wrap" on the rod top, followed by a tightening of the line, again nail it hard.

Its a fantastic searching method, and it becomes easier the more you do it.

I'd recommend that you try it in the warmer months when the fish are more active and more willing to chase a bait.

Steve

www.caravanonthesevern.co.uk

www.midlandriveranglers.yuku.com

 

[Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)]

Great post Steve.

Do you tend to cast upstream and then take in line as the bait comes downstream towards you.I have only fished it on the move from the bank which I think is easier but really only feasible when the river is clear of weed and the banks very open.

 

[Deanos]

Superb post Steve, good pics and very clear instruction.

If using braid, what breaking strain would you use?

Regards, Deanos.

 

[Stephen Williams 2]

Hi Nigel/Deanos,

Nigel,

yes,cast "up-stream" and keep in contact with the bait.

I cast 20-30 yards+ up-stream.

I tend to let leave the bail arm open as the bait sinks, and close it once it touches bottom.

You will need to wind in a bit to keep in contact, but the more you wind in the less distance you will be able to cover downstream.

It can seem like a long time for the bait to hit bottom, and bites can often be within second of the bait starting to trip along.

Ideal runs are a line of willow/bushes on the opposite bank, where you can bounce a bit along under the edges of these.

Barbel tend to hold up in this type of cove during the daylight, but are still happy to take a bait that is bounced along close by.

I've even had Barbel come up off the bottom and take baits in mid water.

Deanos,

I dont get on with braid, but I know others that do.

There is no need to go for thin braid, it would defeat the object, as you want/need the pressure from the water to help move the bait along.

Look for something with a smiler diameter to 10 or 12lb mono, so maybe 40 or 50 lb braid?

Steve

www.caravanonthesevern.co.uk

www.midlandriveranglers.yuku.com