Another line strength question

[Barnoe]

Been fishing just over 12 months and i bought 2 reels of line... 6llb and 13llb (2 rods set up with each)

I originally thought this meant thats the maximum weight fish you can catch on the line.
listening to other fishermen im confused?

Lets say im fishing a lake that is known to have 25llb Carp in it, what strength line is advisable?
what is realistically possible with my 13llb line?

 

[tigger]

It depends on the type of rods your using and the method. If your casting leger weights and casting to the horizon with heavy test rods then the higher B/S line is ideal. If your float fishing for the carp in none snaggy areas and using a avon or stepped up float rod then the lower B/S line would be ideal.

 

[sam vimes]

An awful lot depends on the skill of the angler concerned (and a dollop of luck if fishing really light), but seriously big fish can be landed on lines rated as little as 2lb (or less). A 25lb carp should be absolutely no problem on 13lb line. Unless the venue concerned had issues with excessive weed growth, or mussell beds, I doubt that I'd use more than 12lb line with a full on carping set up for almost any UK venue. 15lb is my absolute maximum. Even then, I've only used 15lb mainline when the venue has rules stating that as a minimum.

The stated breaking strain of any line bears no relation to the maximum size of the fish that can be successfully played and landed on it.

 

[O.C.F.Disorder]

I caught this lil' beast on 2lb line.
it doesnt matter how strong your line is if you set drag very light and play the fish very gently. If I am fishing a lake with 25lb carp in it I use 15lb mainline. 15lb is strong enough to get them out of snags and get them in the net quite quickly.

EDIT: Anything is possible on 13lb line, depends on ones level of skill.

 

[john step]

Nice tench...........are you in the Oz.:wh

Back to thread. Its the bend or give in a rod that plays a fish. The line is allied to to Test Curve (loosely) of the rod. The Test Curve(TC) numbers is also something that confuses newcomers.
The old formulae was ROUGHLY this..... Test curve of rod X 5 = Breaking Strain (BS) of line.

Therefore a 2lb test curve rod X 5 = 10lb line. Modern rods are I find more able to vary and you can go up or down a 10% or so on this but its not a bad STARTING point to get your head around the issue.

If you had a lighter rod say a commercial carp float rod Avon/barbel of something like 1.25 or 1.5 tc ( test on spring balance) it follows that 1.25 X 5 = 6.25 bs aprox as stated. Your 6lb line would be fine where there are no excessive snags etc and the fish can be played against the flexing of the rod.

You will soon get the hang of it.

 

[tigger]

Nice tench...........are you in the Oz.:wh

Back to thread. Its the bend or give in a rod that plays a fish. The line is allied to to Test Curve (loosely) of the rod. The Test Curve(TC) numbers is also something that confuses newcomers.
The old formulae was ROUGHLY this..... Test curve of rod X 5 = Breaking Strain (BS) of line.

Therefore a 2lb test curve rod X 5 = 10lb line. Modern rods are I find more able to vary and you can go up or down a 10% or so on this but its not a bad STARTING point to get your head around the issue.

If you had a lighter rod say a commercial carp float rod Avon/barbel of something like 1.25 or 1.5 tc ( test on spring balance) it follows that 1.25 X 5 = 6.25 bs aprox as stated. Your 6lb line would be fine where there are no excessive snags etc and the fish can be played against the flexing of the rod.

You will soon get the hang of it.

I've heard that rule of thumb myself John, appparently you times it by 6 to get the upper limit and 4 to get the lower limit, that's according to Wilsons theory.
I have rods with a 1lb test and they're rated to 12lb lines....no idea how that works ?

 

[S-Kippy]

Only in exceptional circumstances and situations would I ever feel the need to use anything over 12lb bs.....like venue rules as Chris said. I have a pair of reels loaded with 15lb for just such a venue and never mind any fish in there I'd feel quietly confident of stopping a hippo on 15lb mono.

 

[Barnoe]

Well that saves me a trip out and rewinding my reel.
I use 2x 13ft carp rods.... forget the name :/

My usual method once casted is to turn the drag right down ready.
I'll be honest the main reason, was so when I put my rod on the rest a fish didn't swim off with my gear!

My set up of 6llb and 13llb sounds ok then.
Thanks guys

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[Barnoe]

After zooming one of my photos... lots of zoom so forgive the quality.
My rods are 13ft Carp Match ....

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[sam vimes]

The 13' length and the "match" bit in the name would suggest that they are heavy float rods, not out and out carp rods. If that is the case, your 13lb line is likely to be totally out of kilter with the rod. If they live up to being heavy float rods, then 8lb mainline is likely to be the highest you should be using with them, but they may be better with less.​

 

[108831]

Balancing your lines,hooks and rods is imperative to landing decent fish,all rods,even if they have the same t.c.(so they say)do not match well with certain breaking strains of line,also the quality of your line of choice will give good abrasion resistance,low diameter,camouflage qualities,good knot strength,it is usually a matter of making allowances on all of those to achieve your goals, seems like a minefield,but it comes with experience,it hurts me to say it because I wouldn't use it,but daiwa sensor is a well priced starter of fair quality.

 

[Keith M]

It’s not the size of the fish that determines the strength of line needed; as has already been said by others it’s the type of venue you are fishing and whether it has lots of snags in it, plus the size of the weight that you are casting and the distance it’s being cast that determines the line strength you need to use, plus how skilled you are at playing large fish and also the rod you are using.

I caught the 21lb Carp pictured below when Tench fishing on my local estate lake using 6lb line, a half ounce lead and a 1.5lb test curve Specialist rod; and I managed to steer the fish away from some lillies during the fight too.



Keith

 

[john step]

Are both rods the same as the photo? As Sam has said these are not out and out CARP rods in capitals! They are carp rods in small letters. Meant for float fishing for smaller commercial type fishery carp not CARP on lakes where you fish where the stocking is lower and the fish are often much bigger.

This has cropped up before with beginners this" what is carp fishing" sort of thing. What has happened is that rod manufacturers have used the word carp on all sorts of tackle including rods because over the years commercial fisheries have multiplied and these are predominately stocked(over stocked) with smaller carp.and are popular with many anglers who want instant hits. So carp match rods are a stepped up version of a float rod that can cope with numbers of carp to about the low doubles weight wise but often only 4 to 6 lb though.

The word carp obviously sells tackle.

As Whitty says buy a bulk spool of Sensor about 6 lb or 8lb bs and fill the spools. Thousands of yards for about £8. You can buy spare spools for reels to give better options of line choice.
Nothing wrong with Daiwa Sensor although some don't like it. I have never had trouble with it.

 

[Barnoe]

Yes both Rods are the same, i bought them both for me and my son initially for £35 each

On further inspection they are Daiwa D Carp Match Rod, model DCM13W-BU, 13ft and 3 sections
along with 2x Daiwa Sweepfire 3050X reels for £25 each

Not that i have a massive budget anyway, but i didn't want to spend a fortune on something when i wasn't sure if i liked fishing yet.
Now i know i do, at some point i will buy a better rod and keep these as spares for now

To be fair to the angling shop staff, they gave me good service.... he admitted he had cheaper stuff, but would only sell that if specifically asked.
he said the rod and reel would be a very good starting point, giving a good experience helping me to like the hobby

He wasnt wrong, ive not had any tackle issues with any of them and its left me wanting more.

Got to start somewhere i guess

 

[john step]

Yes both Rods are the same, i bought them both for me and my son initially for £35 each

On further inspection they are Daiwa D Carp Match Rod, model DCM13W-BU, 13ft and 3 sections
along with 2x Daiwa Sweepfire 3050X reels for £25 each

Not that i have a massive budget anyway, but i didn't want to spend a fortune on something when i wasn't sure if i liked fishing yet.
Now i know i do, at some point i will buy a better rod and keep these as spares for now

To be fair to the angling shop staff, they gave me good service.... he admitted he had cheaper stuff, but would only sell that if specifically asked.
he said the rod and reel would be a very good starting point, giving a good experience helping me to like the hobby

He wasnt wrong, ive not had any tackle issues with any of them and its left me wanting more.

Got to start somewhere i guess

Daiwa is a good make. They will last for many years.

 

[mikench]

Nice tench...........are you in the Oz.

Beat me to the punch John!

 

[markcw]

The rods line rating will be between 2lb - 8lb. your sweepfire reels will have a spool capacity of between 10lb like it has been stated Daiwa are a good brand and will give you years of service, I have a Daiwa rod and reel which I still use and they are 25+ years old.