Drennan Twin Tip Duo: 2 sessions, 2 tips broken

[sylvanillo]

Hello, I'm taking the opportunity to ask this question thanks to Sleeping Beauty

So I'm having an issue with Drennan's quivertips. I got a Twin Tip Duo at a very good price and have used the rod twice only with the "quivertip carrier". Straightforward issue, on both occasions the tip broke. Brand new tip. Good size fish but far from massive, and the tip broke about an inch from the top.

Pic taken yesterday:

My immediate hot reaction was to hate Drennan, and to think that they don't provide a protection tube because their quivertips are single-use
But at the same time the tips are used by thousands of anglers and fit many rods...

What is it I may be doing wrong?

Or, can I try with quivertips from other brands? They must be 65 cm long.

Thank you in advance.

 

[ian g]

Possibly line getting wrapped around the end of the tip

 

[markcw]

As what Ian says, looking at photo it seems as if they are not fitted with anti tangle eyes, Always check line at tip end before casting, it is easy for it to go around the end, can happen to the best of us.
At least being Drennan there are plenty of stockists around Oxford.
If you are struggling for a tip, give me a call and I will see what I can do.

 

[chrissh]

Line wrapped around the tip or casting a feeder to heavy for the rod

 

[hague01]

I managed to break, 2 tips, of the "unbreakable" daiwa megatips" which at £45 a go was not funny especially as both were in transit.My fault though in that I used rig tubing lengths of about 2'.Somehow the tubing came thro the tip eye and snapped them.Thought 1st time round it was something else but 2nd time it happened established the true cause.Expensive mistake!

 

[john step]

As others have said...user error. I used to do it to the very fine Shakespeare Sigma Wands tips. Unfortunately you cannot get replacements now unlike Drennan.
Look and check before casting.

 

[markcw]

Do you carry the rod ready made up to the venue ? ie in a ready rod bag, with reel attached and sections folded so tip is against butt. Top to Tail.

 

[john step]

Do you carry the rod ready made up to the venue ? ie in a ready rod bag, with reel attached and sections folded so tip is against butt. Top to Tail.

Thinking about this point, I always take tips out and carry them separately in a dedicated tube.
I do the same with all my rods except pike and carp rods. I have never felt safe with the made up in transit idea.


Silvanillo I have just seen your post in HDYGO. If you do not need to be so delicate just cut the broken tip so that the second ring then becomes the top ring. It will not break so easily and you can save using the new drennan replacements for when you really need finesse.

 

[markcw]

Thinking about this point, I always take tips out and carry them separately in a dedicated tube.
I do the same with all my rods except pike and carp rods. I have never felt safe with the made up in transit idea.

I do the same, also remove the feeder or lead if I cant find velcro band with feeder pouch in it

 

[hague01]

key for me now is to use preston ICS feeders.that way there's no weight on the quiver whichever way you take it made up to the bank. Works for me!

 

[markcw]

key for me now is to use preston ICS feeders.that way there's no weight on the quiver whichever way you take it made up to the bank. Works for me!

If you do that, are you not limited to feeders and leads that you can use ,?
I have found if I use xsafe I have to remove the feeder and hooklength for safe transit if no neoprene strap with feeder pouch. I have a box full of various feeders and leads and stems, some work better than others. Both in use and in transit.

 

[sylvanillo]

Thank you for your respective answers.

Normally the rig stays on the rod, with 2 elastic bracelets on each end. On the move (car to river, or swim to swim) I remove the feeder and place the hook in the little eyelet.

Just to add that the tips didn't broke on casting, they looked snapped just after landing. The other tip I broke on the other rod was while on the rod rest, on a 'run'.
I did notice with the Twin Tip is that the line tends to tangle a lot indeed. The 2.tips were glass tips. So I suppose you're right, I may be damaging the tip and then it breaks on a heavy load.
Makes sense.

Today at the end of the day I've been on the river with the only tip left which is a 4oz carbon. Much stiffer and stronger, and the line didn't tangle so much actually. This time I landed a good bream and the tip ... has come home ok for the first time!!

 

[chrissh]

Please don’t get me wrong here but are you using the feeder tip rate say 2oz as a guide for a casting weight of the feeders.

1oz is what it take to pull the tip around not a casting weight

Rough guide tip rating
0.5oz - 1oz. Stillwaters Silverfish
1.5oz - 2oz. Stillwaters and slow-moving rivers Small carp, tench bream and silverfish
2.5oz - 3oz. Stillwaters and moderately flowing rivers Carp, tench and chub
4oz – plus. Distance fishing, the Method feeder and fast-flowing rivers Double-figure carp and barbel


Drennan specialist rod Sleeve have internal lead/feeder pockets and internal feeder tip pocket

 

[markcw]

As above, but I would say depending on length of rod as well and action of it, you could get away with using a 1oz tip for waters containing F1's.
A Maver feeder rod I have has 3 tips ranging from 1oz to 3 oz. It is a 3 piece 12' rod, I use it with a 2oz tip in it for longer range bream tench fishing,
I have also modified an old kevlar x wrap silstar wand to take a 2 oz tip. This is for short range up to islands for the margin size carp.
I think the action of a rod to some degree plays a part in style of fishing, Soft action and stiff tip could struggle, same as stiff action and soft tip.
Next time you set up for feeder fishing make sure you have threaded line through the eyes correctly, and also check it is not tangled round the top when casting,
Also the length of drop of feeder from rod tip on casting may play a part.

 

[hague01]

the fun is that there is a plastic tube permanently on the line which will accept, cage/flat/banjo feeders and bombs of various sizes. Other makers do similar but prestons works fine for me as the tip never is under stress in transit.

 

[markcw]

I have the Preston system as well as the MAP.
The PI set up is a good one, just got to remember to check if packaging has ICS on it before buy feeders. I like the Guru because very easy to change ,and sometimes can have 3 or 4 of same feeder ready made up, to do a quick change. Unhook and replace then repack feeder whilst fishing

 

[Golden Eagle]

Hi how do you quickly change the guru feeders? I know the PI ICS can do this but can guru too? Cheers

 

[Golden Eagle]

Regarding the tip snapping, I’ve experienced this a few times and it has always been the result of line wrapping around the tip then casting a feeder. The actual break often happens a little later but this is the cause in my experience.

I carry my rods made up and have never had a problem whilst in transit.

Line wrapping can be greatly remedied by straightening out the tip ring a bit so it is more parallel to the rod rather than at right angles. However, it’s impossible to do this on some rods, my drennan acolyte bring an example.

Checking before every cast is probably the best remedy, but very easy to forget in my experience!

 

[markcw]

Hi how do you quickly change the guru feeders? I know the PI ICS can do this but can guru too? Cheers

The guru xsafe have a thin wire stem at the top, this connects to a small loop on mainline,and covered by a sleeve, To change all you do is push sleeve up from feeder ,unhook from mainline and feeder and hooklength are free, Its a reversal to fit another. The beauty of this is that various sized feeders with various size hooks and breaking strain hooklengths can be used, Or just have a few of same ready made up.

 

[mikench]

I use guru feeders a lot and I find them quick and easy to change as Mark says. The sleeve stays on the line and the loop slots around the bent pin connection whether it be a method,hybrid,pellet or maggot feeder. After any struggle with a fish or a session, I always refresh the loop just in case. I do think a loop knot is susceptible to breaking.