In the river Lune the roach/bream hybrids at present are running between 4.5lb and 5.5lb. Excellent fighters, they’re not as colourful as the roach and much lighter than the bream and with a slightly less pronounced hump. I’ve got a few pictures somewhere if anyone wants to know what a 4.5lb roach/bream hybrid looks like. However, I don’t thick the picture's good enough to count the spines. I really need to get my act together on the photo front.