Flies or Lures?
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denis goulding
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WELL,
GRAHAM I DO A LOT OF TROUT FISHING WINTER,SUMMER THE SEASON DOES NOT MATTER.BIG LURES ETC ARE GREAT WHEN STOCKY BASHING OR TEACHING KIDS HOW TO FISH,,BUT WHEN U USE LURES U ARE APPEALING TO THE AGGRESSION OF THE TROUT.MY FAVORITE SORT OF FISHING IS DRY OR NYMPH FISHING WITH BUZZERS SEDGES AND THE LIKE.TRYING YO IMITATE THE DIET OF YOUR CHOSEN QUARRY.
I OFTEN SEE ADULTS WELL ABLE TO THROW LINES AND GOOD FLYTYERS CHUCKING LURES HOUR AFTER HOUR AT RISING FISH,GETTING THE ODD ONE AND SO CARRYING ON..BUT IMAGINE IF THEY CHANGED THOSE BRASH FLIES AND HAD A REAL HARD THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,THEY WOULD CATCH MORE FISH AND GET MORE SATISFACTION FROM THEIR FISHING.........
GRAHAM I DO A LOT OF TROUT FISHING WINTER,SUMMER THE SEASON DOES NOT MATTER.BIG LURES ETC ARE GREAT WHEN STOCKY BASHING OR TEACHING KIDS HOW TO FISH,,BUT WHEN U USE LURES U ARE APPEALING TO THE AGGRESSION OF THE TROUT.MY FAVORITE SORT OF FISHING IS DRY OR NYMPH FISHING WITH BUZZERS SEDGES AND THE LIKE.TRYING YO IMITATE THE DIET OF YOUR CHOSEN QUARRY.
I OFTEN SEE ADULTS WELL ABLE TO THROW LINES AND GOOD FLYTYERS CHUCKING LURES HOUR AFTER HOUR AT RISING FISH,GETTING THE ODD ONE AND SO CARRYING ON..BUT IMAGINE IF THEY CHANGED THOSE BRASH FLIES AND HAD A REAL HARD THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,THEY WOULD CATCH MORE FISH AND GET MORE SATISFACTION FROM THEIR FISHING.........
tinca steve
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Graham, been reading some posts re fly or lures but i am intrested in any flies or small lures that will take the larger specimens of coarse fish, any ideas?
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Graham Marsden (ACA)
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You need to be more specific Steve. Are you looking for fly fishing lures that you would use on a fly rod, and for which species?
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Colin North, the one and only
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Denis is right, of course.
Denis, will you be in Crossmolina in May/June?
Denis, will you be in Crossmolina in May/June?
tinca steve
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Graham,
What i'm after is flies or small lures to fly cast to some good roach in my local river.
I have caught a few on punch , also on maggots. as they seem to lie midwater in a4 ft deep run i thought it could be possible to take a few on the fly. I can reach from above or below. I have tried some little black (16 s) midge type dry flies but to no avail,as they seem to spook even when using 2 lb tippet. I was thinking that a small wet fly or mini lure may take them. At present they go 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 lbs but there are at least 2/3 fish in the2+ class. There are only a dozen or so fish in the shoal and i would love to take 1or 2 on the fly gear.
What i'm after is flies or small lures to fly cast to some good roach in my local river.
I have caught a few on punch , also on maggots. as they seem to lie midwater in a4 ft deep run i thought it could be possible to take a few on the fly. I can reach from above or below. I have tried some little black (16 s) midge type dry flies but to no avail,as they seem to spook even when using 2 lb tippet. I was thinking that a small wet fly or mini lure may take them. At present they go 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 lbs but there are at least 2/3 fish in the2+ class. There are only a dozen or so fish in the shoal and i would love to take 1or 2 on the fly gear.
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Graham Marsden (ACA)
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Sorry Steve, I've never caught a roach on fly so I can't help with that one. You probably have more idea than I have.
Colin, this is an old thread that Steve resurrected, Denis wrote his post almost 8 years ago!
Colin, this is an old thread that Steve resurrected, Denis wrote his post almost 8 years ago!
tinca steve
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Has Mr.Isaac Walton any threads on here i could learn from.
Old information is not necessary bad information.
Old information is not necessary bad information.
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Colin North, the one and only
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<blockquote class=quoteheader>Graham Marsden (ACA) wrote (see)</blockquote><blockquote class=quote>
Sorry Steve, I've never caught a roach on fly so I can't help with that one. You probably have more idea than I have.
Colin, this is an old thread that Steve resurrected, Denis wrote his post almost 8 years ago!</blockquote>
Thanks Graham,So he did. I've seen him a few times since then!
Sorry Steve, I've never caught a roach on fly so I can't help with that one. You probably have more idea than I have.
Colin, this is an old thread that Steve resurrected, Denis wrote his post almost 8 years ago!</blockquote>
Thanks Graham,So he did. I've seen him a few times since then!
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Peter Jacobs (ACA, SAA, CA)
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Steve,
Have you thought about 'Dapping' for those Roach?
You need a long rod, 15 feet is usual, and a small dry fly preferrably something imitating whatever is hatching in the evening on your river.
Some people also use a special floss dapping line that you can buy from a decent tackle shop for abput ?8.00.
The technique is to allow the fly to move downstram with the current but from some bankside cover. you don't 'cast' per se, but simply let the fly onto the surface with as much line out as you can comfortably handle.
I use this method on the middle reaches of the Hampshire Avon for both Roach and Dace, but mainly the Dace and you will be amazed how good a method it can be.
Good luck.
Have you thought about 'Dapping' for those Roach?
You need a long rod, 15 feet is usual, and a small dry fly preferrably something imitating whatever is hatching in the evening on your river.
Some people also use a special floss dapping line that you can buy from a decent tackle shop for abput ?8.00.
The technique is to allow the fly to move downstram with the current but from some bankside cover. you don't 'cast' per se, but simply let the fly onto the surface with as much line out as you can comfortably handle.
I use this method on the middle reaches of the Hampshire Avon for both Roach and Dace, but mainly the Dace and you will be amazed how good a method it can be.
Good luck.
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have you tried any blood worm patterns? considering the roach diet they might be worth a crack.
Morespiders
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Tinca , Iv'e caught roach from a local water on red and black buzzers size 16s and 18s, cant see why you shouldn't catch them on these using a very small float to 2lb line.Try very slowly moving your line back just as you would when fly fishing.
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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I have caught a fair number of roach on buzzer and bloodworm imitations. I've also had chub from an Oxfordshire gravel pit on a imitation caster.
I got my fly rods out 2 weeks ago. Going back to the earlier thread about lures/flys. The water i fished is normally very productive and i by far enjoy using dry flies the best however the day in hand the water was similar to that of a commercial water and i am sure this iwas not conducive to the trout feeding? I did have a couple of follows on the lure and took1 fish usingthis, however the most interest was shown to a very smallblack goldhead.I didn't get my bag limit for the first time in years, but on the day I feel like no matter what fly hit the water there was never going to be any real interest.
What do people think? Have any others experienced this with coloured water and trout?
What do people think? Have any others experienced this with coloured water and trout?
Hi Graham/all
I have very little experience to call upon, only having fly/trout fished for a year. Of course when you first get into the sport you want to catch, and with that I was advised to reach for the lures as they are somewhat easier to handle for abeginner...
However, on my 3rd ever trip I was adopted by a wonderfully experienced angler who made it his personal task to get me my first trout on atraditional dry immitation. Thankfully it was late may and the Mayflies werecoming off the water in a steady stream for most of the day...
After a few hours, and ironing outafew casting and presentation issues, I finally struck into my first immitation caught trout. It was probably the smallestrainbow I have had to date, but by FAR the most memorable, enjoyable andinspiring fish I've had...!!!
In a nut shell, while I would love to purely fish immitations, I simply don't get enough fishing time tolimit myself so much,m and when the going is toughI will use lures. However, I like nothing more than the idea of fooling a wairy fish with what it thinks is a true food item. The next step for me is to learn to tie my own flies, and nobody will need to tell me how wonderful I'm going to feel when I catch on a self-tied immitiation!!!
CHeers,
Jeff
I have very little experience to call upon, only having fly/trout fished for a year. Of course when you first get into the sport you want to catch, and with that I was advised to reach for the lures as they are somewhat easier to handle for abeginner...
However, on my 3rd ever trip I was adopted by a wonderfully experienced angler who made it his personal task to get me my first trout on atraditional dry immitation. Thankfully it was late may and the Mayflies werecoming off the water in a steady stream for most of the day...
After a few hours, and ironing outafew casting and presentation issues, I finally struck into my first immitation caught trout. It was probably the smallestrainbow I have had to date, but by FAR the most memorable, enjoyable andinspiring fish I've had...!!!
In a nut shell, while I would love to purely fish immitations, I simply don't get enough fishing time tolimit myself so much,m and when the going is toughI will use lures. However, I like nothing more than the idea of fooling a wairy fish with what it thinks is a true food item. The next step for me is to learn to tie my own flies, and nobody will need to tell me how wonderful I'm going to feel when I catch on a self-tied immitiation!!!
CHeers,
Jeff
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john conway (CSG - ACA)
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In the old terminology, spinning was just that, the lure spun when retrieved through the water. The over lap for me is the lure, which can be fished using the conventional spinning rod and the fly rod. Modern fly fishing now deceives fish by all representations of natural and unnatural food sources. Both methods require the water craft regarding location what the fish are feeding on, but using a spinning rod is far easier than a fly rod.