Extreme Range Carp Rods

[PTnymph]

I have found a superb fishery but most of the carp are caught in the region of 130+ yards and I know my present carp rods (2 1/2lbTC) won't able to cast that far out.

I was told buy Budgie is go for a 3lb TC to 3 1/4lb TC fast taper rods, but he can't recommend any make of rods to do the job. There is one rod I would like to know if it worth getting it.

I am thinking of getting is the JRC Skyliner Extreme Range.

What others fellow carpers think if I doing the right rod for this purpose

 

[Frothey]

Harrison Trebuchet

Century FMJ

Conoflex LDC

Just make sure you can compress them first, or you wont cast as far as "softer" rods

 

[Frothey]

is 130 yds extreme range these days?

century and conoflex are the biggies in the tournament world - they know what they are up to.

the harrison was designed by a tournament caster and has cast "tournament" distances

my Bruse Ashby Perimeters can cast 130+ with bait and still be used at close range - harrison blank - its more down to casting technique (maybe an article there!)

cheaper rods can cast a long way, but not for very long. extreme range fishing puts a whole different load of forces on a rod.....

 

[Les Clark]

Dave , if you can put an article up on casting technique ,i for one would be more than happy ,after nearly 40 years of carp /tench /pike fishing ,my casting is still crap but not too late to learn ( i hope )

 

[PTnymph]

Quote: is 130 yds extreme range these days?


Well, I would say so as I never done that far! The most I have done is around 50 -70 yards!

 

[Frothey]

thats what i mean andrew, 100yds should be fairly simple with modern rods/reels with the right technique - 130 is possible with most rods. its only once you want to get beyond that with proper rigs, lines with a headwind you need really specialist equipment.

and a lot of people think they are casting further than they really are......

 

[PTnymph]

oh I see what you mean mate - sorry

 

[paul williams 2]

Distance is a funny thing to judge.....i looked at a water from a distance at dusk and thought it would take a 50yd cast to reach the middle......in daylight and on the bank it was at least half as far.

I honestly believe that a big proportion of anglers who think they are casting 100yds plus ... ain't!

 

[Frothey]

definately - but in some ways thats a good thing - if you think your casting 100yds, but find out its 80, you know it should be easy to progress.

my casting reel that I practice with has got a 150yd spool of powerpro on it and I can cast that off - far enough for me!

 

[Terry D]

13ft Wychwood Rapiers should do the trick as well.

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)]

You are quite right Brummie. A lot of anglers who think they can cast the "ton" can't.

People like good old Frothey obviously know how to cast and what they are talking about.

If I had to cast 150 yards to save my life, and I couldn't do it these days, I would use a 12 foot carbon beachcaster made from a Harrison blank and a 6000C ABU multiplier with the brake weights taken out. And I would need 4 to 5 oz of lead.

Why a muliplier?

Well quite simply, in the right hands, they will outcast any fixed spool reel ever made.

Even with the latest "Big Pit" reels, you cannot put maximum punch into your cast because the limitation is the force your fingers will stand when you are really winding them up.

In ca 1975, I thought I was getting 100 yards with a Mitchell 410, 8lbs line, Gibbinson Cloopers and a 3 oz lead; until I measured it.

Best cast was 95 yards.

 

[Frothey]

maybe for extreme range rods we should look at bass rods.

master caster/bass angler phil hyde designed a rod called the "carpendulum" - it'll never catch on as it was 11ft and not really thin ....

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)]

Dave, for maximum long distance casting you don't need a rod that is too long.

The best distance casting rod I ever owned was made from a Fenwick 11 1/2 foot two piece American Blank that had a 5 foot phenolic glass butt section and a 6 1/2 foot carbon/glass composite top section.

I put the Ambassadeur 6000C about 9 inches from the butt and controlled the reel with the thumb of my left hand. I am right handed. This left my strongest arm to put the maximum effort into the cast.

We did a variation of the pendulum cast and with practice we were getting 180+ metres with 40lbs shock leaders using 12lbs Stren.

Why did that rod not catch on Dave?

It would probably outcast all the so-called carp rods of today.

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)]

By the way, I lot of you carp anglers seem to be hamstrung by what is known as a "test curve".

Forget the term. The concept doesn't exist anyway!

 

[Richard Farrow]

By the way, I lot of you carp anglers seem to be hamstrung by what is known as a "test curve".
Forget the term. The concept doesn't exist anyway.


Could you explain further please Ron.

 

[Frothey]

i know ron, but thats why it'll never catch on

in most other disciplines rods have a casting weight, rather than test curve richard - the action of the rod is more important/relevant than the test curve

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)]

Very very true Dave.

And ask the average carp angler today to define a test curve, and he wouldn't have a clue!

I answered Richard on the phone by the way.

 

[Dacian Muntean]

TRY NASH PURSUIT EXTREME

 

[Frothey]

depends if you can bend it though.....

wasnt there some controversy about the "certificate" to back up the claims about the casting distance?

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)]

Certificate to back up claims about casting distance? That is something I have never heard of. Perhaps you can enlighten me because if any rod making company were to issue such a certificate, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

The ability to cast distance is only partly attributal to the rod in question. What is more important is the skill and technique of the caster