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    Default Luncheon Meat...considering the variations...

    At this time of year,with temperatures dropping,I tend to give this bait a good workover at my local pit as it definitely does the trick for Autumn carp and roach.
    Generally speaking I use Plumrose as it has a good stong smell but Princes is also very good and also produces fish.

    However,as temperatures have dropped this last 2/3 weeks(from 59degrees three weeks ago to 51degrees yesterday)I noticed the bait(seemed)to be getting harder after immersion in water for a period of time and not all runs turned into fish.This hardening of the bait may well be my imagination because it comes out of the water so very cold.....

    Last week when I needed a tin or two for a quick trip I asked my wife to get some from Asda but all she could get was Ye Old Oak brand which I hadn't used before and although I didn't really fancy it(looked very soft and spongy!)I had little choice!

    Well,its been a revelation and little short of amazing as far as fish caught is concerned.

    Yes,this brand is very soft and probably wouldn't take much heavy casting but its consistency is very fine and the softness seems to be ideal for taking fish.Catches have improved and the takes are very,very positive.
    I have also noticed that it seems to sink at a different rate to the two brands mentioned above,both of which are far more solid(more dense)so would sink quicker.In fact,I have noticed that very small pieces(and I mean small!)actually float on the surface but this may be caused in the surface film...
    As far as colour is concerned the Oak brand is lighter than the other two.

    As a matter of interest I fish the meat on a shortish hair in cubes(or balls shaped with a knife)of about 12mm although I took my last fish yesterday-a 10lb plus mirror-on a cube 25mm square.The take was without notice and the fish had gone 20' or more before I could move.........(this may be due to slow,age related,reactions!)

    I would be interested to hear of experiences with other brands but for the time being Ye Old Oak gets my vote.............................'til next week anyway!!

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    Its made to a 'price point' - the cheaper the brand that you buy the less meat in the product, the more fat and 'filler' - the more likely it is to float.

    But who knows? The technologists that play around with the recipes / formulations may be accidentally creating a new 'superbait'.

    I don't use it a lot, when I do I tend to use Sainsbury's own brand. I get a few of trips out of one can and its usually been frozen, defrosted a few times, so the texture and original colour are not as the manufacturer intended.


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    Last edited by Harvey; 21-03-2012 at 17:51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    That would make it almost weightless in the water, or even pop up from the bottom when legered. Sounds perfect to me.
    I suppose that if you got some made from large amount of 'lung' it might 'pop-up' straight from the can...!?


    Indeed the new 'superbait'...

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    The cheap stuff goes harder in the water due to the amount of fat in it.

    I cut mine in slice's about half an inch thick, then take a bread punch and stick it in the slice, this i hair rig. I also cut some much thicker for Barbel, and use the bread punch the same way.

    The thicker the slice the longer the barrel shape you can get.

    For me it's like most things in life, you get what you pay for, and good luncheon meat isn't cheap. Bacon grill in tins is also another good bait, and is used in the same way.

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    I have used Ye Old Oak quite a bit in the past, it is very fatty snd can be a pain to use in warm weather. I tend to use it straight on the hook, punched out and looking like a pellet.

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    If you buy the cheaper brands they are very fatty, I open mine at home and hold it under the hot tap and a lot of the white fat disappears. Also to keep the pink colour I keep it in water in the bait box.
    As the colder weather approaches it would not be my choice of bait, however I have found using small slivers cut into the shape of a maggot on a small hook very effective.

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    Spam, spam, spam, spam. Rarely blank with it. I use 1" sq X 2" pieces on a size 8, home tied to 10" braid, hair-rig. Had big eels and small pike too. I sometimes put a lug on the hook too and get the odd chub and large rudd.

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    Waggy.......as a matter of interest who's Spam do you use?

    I think I used it some years ago but found it didn't cast too well,not to any distance anyway!
    I recall it being very,very soft..........but perhaps I need to give it another try!

    I use a similar rig and bait size(sometimes)as you..

    thanks to others who posted suggestions..

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    Tee Cee,

    I don't know what you use as a stop on the hair rig, but a bit of grass or the V shaped rig stops are good for helping you cast that bit further with soft baits. You could also try 3 rig stops left stuck together.

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