Sixth Sense
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I don't know about fishing hunches as I seem to blank a lot recently. I have however started checking my phone thinking a message has arrived or that I could hear it ringing and then it goes off in my hand.
Spooky.
Spooky.
Graham Whatmore
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There is something that goes on but whether its a sixth sense or not I wouldn't know. Many is the time I've sat and watched a float and though nothing obvious has happened I strike and immediately contact a fish. On a river after many biteless trots down you all of a sudden think 'this time something will happen' and down goes the float. Is it instinct? Is it a sixth sense? Or is it just pure chance?
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im not sure one way or the other.
there have been times when I've thought a tactic would work, and sometimes it has, but sometimes it hasnt. I just don't know, and I doubt I ever will for sure.
there have been times when I've thought a tactic would work, and sometimes it has, but sometimes it hasnt. I just don't know, and I doubt I ever will for sure.
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I think its more a subconcious reflex action. When you do something long enough you just know what will happen next. Graham says his float did nothing obvious. This is no doubt true i say it is in the fine detail the things we dont readily see. You see this come into play when watching somebody who is good at upstrem nymphing. No sign of a bite then he as a fish how did he know.
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Chris Yates was always a big believer of the sixth sense, in fact I think his Redmire 43.12 common and the 51 mirror came after such instincts.
I on the other hand don't seem to get them but I do suddenly have urges to fish for a particular species on a given day and thereby put more effort into it than 'normal' trips. Occasionally those trips produce something out of the ordinary so perhaps it's a sixth sense that manifests itself in being more organised?
Nice article Dave
I on the other hand don't seem to get them but I do suddenly have urges to fish for a particular species on a given day and thereby put more effort into it than 'normal' trips. Occasionally those trips produce something out of the ordinary so perhaps it's a sixth sense that manifests itself in being more organised?
Nice article Dave
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I think we'd all like to believe its all more than the co-incidence mixed with common sense it really is. "The rod always goes off when I pour a cup of tea or have a wee" is oft-heard but is in truth just an event that sticks in the mind and links two completely un-connected events together.
If you think you can predict the future try trading the financial markets. If you're up after 100 trades you might have something and you'll be making serious money to boot. Otherwise and without being rude its all hot air IMO.
If you think you can predict the future try trading the financial markets. If you're up after 100 trades you might have something and you'll be making serious money to boot. Otherwise and without being rude its all hot air IMO.
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''think we'd all like to believe its all more than the co-incidence mixed with common sense it really is. "The rod always goes off when I pour a cup of tea or have a wee" is oft-heard but is in truth just an event that sticks in the mind and links two completely un-connected events together.''
I have to say BLAM, mate to absolutely state what you just have, is a tad arrogant my friend! How on gods earth do you know?
And as for future 'financial market' trading, after a 100 trades I'm pretty sure Nick Leeson was a tad up, so how can you use that as a marker? Made the rest of the 'world trade players' look extremely foolish at the very least!
Nothing I've said in my piece was ever meant to 'predict' the future, I probably wouldn't be in the occupation I am, if it was!!! More, it was a an effort to explore an avenue in angling which didn't require a line diagram of a rig or what not. Just something perhaps a little different.
I have to say BLAM, mate to absolutely state what you just have, is a tad arrogant my friend! How on gods earth do you know?
And as for future 'financial market' trading, after a 100 trades I'm pretty sure Nick Leeson was a tad up, so how can you use that as a marker? Made the rest of the 'world trade players' look extremely foolish at the very least!
Nothing I've said in my piece was ever meant to 'predict' the future, I probably wouldn't be in the occupation I am, if it was!!! More, it was a an effort to explore an avenue in angling which didn't require a line diagram of a rig or what not. Just something perhaps a little different.
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It's all very romantic to think that we do have a sixth sense and I have experienced this many a time. More often when fly fishing for some reason...
Whether or not it is some kind of sense that we have as natural hunters or not, i don't know. But it's nice to believe that it is true.
Whether or not it is some kind of sense that we have as natural hunters or not, i don't know. But it's nice to believe that it is true.
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Since Leeson effectively did his own back office work I'm pretty sure his account did look good after 100 trades. Unfortunately since he lost the best part of ?1bn it was all the other accounts that were in the red and Barings went tits up as you are aware.
I didn't intend to come across as arrogant and your article is a good read but Graham asked for dissenting voices and I thought I'd add an opinion of my own.
I've spent 15 years listening to clients pet theories about this very subject and whether you are talking anglers hunches or traders hunches I'm sorry but I don't believe (in) it.
I'm supposed to do professionally what you are talking about here but in reality I do nothing of the sort. I analyse the facts and play the short odds pure and simple.
That being said a good way to find out whether you have any prognostigative powers must be a City trading job since if you are right you are rich and if you are wrong you are unemployed. It's "only" other peoples money after all.
However since the City effectively exists as a toll booth (rather akin to a Casino) and much prefers to make money from commission and spreads rather than outright trading don't you think this tells you something?
Moreover making money trading and more importantly keeping it isn't about prediction. Its 80% money management if not more. A chicken pecking at buying and selling buttons will be 50% accurate but if you look to make more than you lose (i.e. run winners/cut losses) in a ratio of better than 2.5:1 you will be up over the medium term.
A lot of very successful systems out there are way less than 50% accurate. Donchian/channel break out systems for example. Billions are managed on little more than buying the highest 20 bar high and selling the lowest equivalent low. But they are not predicting.
You too could own the Boston Red Sox as John Henry does as a result of channel break out trading but he doesn't predict he reacts to trends already underway and uses money management. Man group paid somethink akin to 10 enormous shedloads of money for Adam, Harding and Lueck's trading model but it doesn't predict. It's an exercise in applied money management.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if human beings had predictive powers to any degree they wouldn't waste them on fishing. Be a billionaire first. Acquire glamourous wife. Fast car. Faster mistress. Then think about fishing.
I didn't intend to come across as arrogant and your article is a good read but Graham asked for dissenting voices and I thought I'd add an opinion of my own.
I've spent 15 years listening to clients pet theories about this very subject and whether you are talking anglers hunches or traders hunches I'm sorry but I don't believe (in) it.
I'm supposed to do professionally what you are talking about here but in reality I do nothing of the sort. I analyse the facts and play the short odds pure and simple.
That being said a good way to find out whether you have any prognostigative powers must be a City trading job since if you are right you are rich and if you are wrong you are unemployed. It's "only" other peoples money after all.
However since the City effectively exists as a toll booth (rather akin to a Casino) and much prefers to make money from commission and spreads rather than outright trading don't you think this tells you something?
Moreover making money trading and more importantly keeping it isn't about prediction. Its 80% money management if not more. A chicken pecking at buying and selling buttons will be 50% accurate but if you look to make more than you lose (i.e. run winners/cut losses) in a ratio of better than 2.5:1 you will be up over the medium term.
A lot of very successful systems out there are way less than 50% accurate. Donchian/channel break out systems for example. Billions are managed on little more than buying the highest 20 bar high and selling the lowest equivalent low. But they are not predicting.
You too could own the Boston Red Sox as John Henry does as a result of channel break out trading but he doesn't predict he reacts to trends already underway and uses money management. Man group paid somethink akin to 10 enormous shedloads of money for Adam, Harding and Lueck's trading model but it doesn't predict. It's an exercise in applied money management.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if human beings had predictive powers to any degree they wouldn't waste them on fishing. Be a billionaire first. Acquire glamourous wife. Fast car. Faster mistress. Then think about fishing.
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Blam, I didn't necessarily ask for dissenting voices, just various other opinions regarding Dave's article, whether dissenting or not.
In fact I'm a believer, as you'll see if you scroll to the bottom of Dave's article and read my own piece about the same topic.
It's easy enough to put everything down to coincidence, and in many instances of the paranormal and the like, no doubt they are. But I'm a firm believer in that most of us have lost that primeval instinct that we had when, many thousands of years ago we had to hunt and fish to stay alive. Civilisation has knocked it out of us just as it has for the need for an appendix and tonsils.
I believe that some of us have flashes of that primeval instinct to this day and we call it a sixth sense.
In fact I'm a believer, as you'll see if you scroll to the bottom of Dave's article and read my own piece about the same topic.
It's easy enough to put everything down to coincidence, and in many instances of the paranormal and the like, no doubt they are. But I'm a firm believer in that most of us have lost that primeval instinct that we had when, many thousands of years ago we had to hunt and fish to stay alive. Civilisation has knocked it out of us just as it has for the need for an appendix and tonsils.
I believe that some of us have flashes of that primeval instinct to this day and we call it a sixth sense.
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BLAM
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Fair enough, Graham, but "Sixth Sense - or nonsense?" was the question and it at least invites dissention.
I guess belief systems be they organised/complex religions or not tend to shy away from proof: "I believe it and you can't disprove it so it must be true". On the other hand there is a more Darwinian explanation of how things have evolved to which I subscribe.
What you call sixth sense I call experience wrapped up in common sense. I can't prove you wrong by argument alone but you could prove/disprove the theory as I discussed above if you so wished.
I guess belief systems be they organised/complex religions or not tend to shy away from proof: "I believe it and you can't disprove it so it must be true". On the other hand there is a more Darwinian explanation of how things have evolved to which I subscribe.
What you call sixth sense I call experience wrapped up in common sense. I can't prove you wrong by argument alone but you could prove/disprove the theory as I discussed above if you so wished.
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You're right, I can't prove there is such a thing as a sixth sense. Which is why I asked if you're a believer.
You liken believing in a sixth sense to believing in some form of religion, but the difference between the two is that religion is based on handed down story-telling, while a belief in a sixth sense is based on what an individual has sensed for himself. Or not.
You liken believing in a sixth sense to believing in some form of religion, but the difference between the two is that religion is based on handed down story-telling, while a belief in a sixth sense is based on what an individual has sensed for himself. Or not.
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I don't think Dave is saying it's anything to do with predicting the future at all, it's just a nagging feeling that you have to be doing something in order to get a result.
My thoughts behind what some refer to as the sixth sense are loosely based in science. I believe in its existence and attribute the feeling to the ability of the brain to interpret, in different ways, the five labelled senses. Although the waking consciousness may not register almost imperceptible changes in the surrounding conditions this does not mean that the brain has overlooked them too.
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No worries Blam, certainly if I'm honest, I don't really believe in future prediction but I do think there is something in 'the sixth sense'. Outside of fishing mate I do a lot of motorcycling and if I had a pound for everytime I've had a 'feeling' that some clown in the car in front was going to do something daft; and then did so, I'd be a tad richer!
I reckon people have different ways of dealing with senses, I really do think that the way we interpret changes in the atmosphere, emotions and other such parts of the bigger picture is a very individual part of a persons character and personality.
That said, I wouldn't mind being a billionaire, once achieved, I don't think I'd have to worry too much about the glamorous wife. I suspect I may have a queue of potential suitors outside my door lol.
Kind regards,
Dave
I reckon people have different ways of dealing with senses, I really do think that the way we interpret changes in the atmosphere, emotions and other such parts of the bigger picture is a very individual part of a persons character and personality.
That said, I wouldn't mind being a billionaire, once achieved, I don't think I'd have to worry too much about the glamorous wife. I suspect I may have a queue of potential suitors outside my door lol.
Kind regards,
Dave
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**** Walker wrote of sensing fish near a bait, and that his fishing companion sensed it at the same time (Pete Thomas?).
Ivan Marks wrote of "think bites" where he sensed fish near his bait yet had no visible registration.
I've had fish like this where you get a feeling that the fish is there but can't explain it. It IS about being tuned in to your fishing. I have had two occasions where I've dreamt of fishing situations on the morning of a day's fishing that turned out true; one where I caught a roach that won a cup, and the other where I dreamt a peg number on a National, not bad out of over 800 pegs. These were exceptional events that could be explained by coincidence but the sense was very strong.
Sixth sense has nothing to do with Trading floors I'm afraid but might have more to do with exactly what time is. It may not be as linear as it seems!
Ivan Marks wrote of "think bites" where he sensed fish near his bait yet had no visible registration.
I've had fish like this where you get a feeling that the fish is there but can't explain it. It IS about being tuned in to your fishing. I have had two occasions where I've dreamt of fishing situations on the morning of a day's fishing that turned out true; one where I caught a roach that won a cup, and the other where I dreamt a peg number on a National, not bad out of over 800 pegs. These were exceptional events that could be explained by coincidence but the sense was very strong.
Sixth sense has nothing to do with Trading floors I'm afraid but might have more to do with exactly what time is. It may not be as linear as it seems!
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Im not answering this one but I still love you Rodney !
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Me too Cakster XXX 
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