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    Default BIG ROACH a book by Mark Wintle

    The way of the Toad - thoughts on BIG ROACH a book by Mark Wintle

    A very disappointing read it just was not a long enough book it ended far sooner than I wanted it too, you should read it you'll be sure to enjoy the depth of details and the attention to Mark Wintle's expeditions. So Mark Wintle come on get writing its sequel. I do not know the author Mark Wintle and my first contact with him was long after I had read his first independently authored book Big Roach, our first contact was to gently cross swords over a point of description, that being I do not call a Roach under 3 ½ lbs a big Roach…hehehe…each to his own.

    Many of you who know me will know I am an angler and some might say to a point of being a Roach fanatic of nearly 60 years standing.

    The book like a few of the books that over the years that have been written on the very specialist subject area of a single fish species in this case big Roach fishing was little short of amazing. Being a far more enjoyable read than the expected rather dry treatise, I was anticipating when I first saw the book for sale. Surprisingly Mark Wintle’s book Big Roach took me on a journey from the basics of learning about a particular fish species and various things that effect its growth and development through tackle, hookbaits and groundbaits to techniques. Then comes the adventures and experiences as we journey from Mark Wintles early beginnings to more recent times visiting places that will be well known to a good few touching here and there on striking moments and eventually coming to a mention of some very good anglers and Roach specialists. The book has numerous black and white and many colour plates throughout.

    A very good work and a very remarkable one for the first solo book from this author. What do I think about it, its certainly an essential book for any serious Roach angler and the would be specimen hunter as it is a book that teaches without being a tutorial or a dry scholastic work and is a must have book for all serious and pleasure river anglers alike regardless of what species you are after. For those anglers who would like to catch a 2lb Roach or larger this book will certainly help you to get nearer to achieving your dream. I have already read the book twice and I expect I will read it again over the coming dark nights of winter well when I am not out chasing my favourite quarry. I am sure anyone reading this book will enjoy it as much as I have.
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    Default Re: BIG ROACH a book by Mark Wintle

    If you do not call a roach of say 3lbs 7oz a big roach, then we lesser mortals would like to see a book from yourself mate.

    And some photos of the many 3 1/2 lb roach you catch, just to prove it.

    In the real world, a 2lb roach is very big and a 3 pounder a monster.

    And I am happy to get any roach over a pound from any water in the UK.

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    A very disappointing read
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    A very good work
    Make up your mind!

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    Ron, I think you need to read the post again! Then you can remove your crass post!!!

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    Default I love a 12oz roach sometimes

    Dont know if this is relevant but, I always judge a fish against the average size of the water be it roach, tench or whatever. So, a 12oz roach is a very good roach from some of the waters I fish and an average one from others. I suspect some may laugh at a 12oz roach but, I have been very happy to get one on some waters. And a 1lb fish would be outstanding. There you go, I have stuck my oar in.

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    Default Re: I love a 12oz roach sometimes

    For carp, tench, bream and barbel the size of target "specimen" fish has risen substantially since the 1960s in line with records. Various reasons for this. Roach on the other hand are at least as rare at say 3Ib as they ever were - if not more so. I would say 3Ib is still the unattainable target and 2Ib a slightly more realistic one, with a 3Ib roach about as possible as a 60Ib carp. A big roach is 1Ib 8oz in about 98% of rivers. You would need to have access to the Hampshire Avon, Dorset Stour etc or a time machine and can go back to the 1970s Wensum for any prospect of a 3Ib roach in a river.

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    For all those who think I am wrong that's o.k. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me this is how a look at it.

    A monster Roach I think that is over 4lb

    a specimen is a big/large Roach I think that is a 3.5lb to 4lb

    a good or medium Roach I think is one between 2lb and 3.5lb

    a interesting or fair Roach I think is one between 1lb and 2lb

    a average or nice Roach I think is one between 1oz and 1lb

    That is my division of Roach just mine others can call whatever divisions they choose but those are mine.

    I believe there are a lot more large Roach around than many believe and I know I am not alone in this thought.

    As I have already said read the book if you want to go after Big Roach or big fish of any species.

    However if you only read the first part of my post and got upset because without reading the full post you cannot fully understand what I am saying, perhaps you should go back and read it properly and thoroughly.

    Because when you go after the specimen or big fish of any species you really have to pay attention to ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS and that is my opinion.

    Instead of moaning buy the book and read it then judge for yourself. I loved the book and I think any reader of it will thoroughly enjoy the book.

    I only even mentioned the disagreement I had with Mark Wintle to show I did not read his book and write about it to have a dig nor to promote a friends book, I read it because it was a book on Roach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watatoad View Post
    The way of the Toad - thoughts on BIG ROACH a book by Mark Wintle

    ... So Mark Wintle come on get writing its sequel. I do not know the author Mark Wintle and my first contact with him was long after I had read his first independently authored book Big Roach....
    An interesting review but very confusing:

    You say your first contact with Mark was "long after I read his first independently authored book"??

    "Big Roach" is Mark's first independently authored book and has only just been published having been launched less than 8 weeks ago. It was the culmination of many, many years work.

    I too would love to see a sequel, but not sure what's left to say on the particular subject other than an update on any additional captures or hitherto unknown revelations, which brings me to....

    .... your opinion on how big roach should be classified. An opinion you are most definitely entitled to, but I would love to see and hear how you arrived at such an opinion.

    ******

    Note for Watatoad: I've deleted the duplicated thread as this one has the responses.
    Last edited by Neil Maidment; 12-09-2011 at 11:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Maidment View Post
    An interesting review but very confusing:

    You say your first contact with Mark was "long after I read his first independently authored book"??

    "Big Roach" is Mark's first independently authored book and has only just been published having been launched less than 8 weeks ago. It was the culmination of many, many years work.

    I too would love to see a sequel, but not sure what's left to say on the particular subject other than an update on any additional captures or hitherto unknown revelations, which brings me to....

    .... your opinion on how big roach should be classified. An opinion you are most definitely entitled to, but I would love to see and hear how you arrived at such an opinion.
    Yes my first contact with Mark Wintle was last Tuesday 6th September 2011. Roach location/behaviour. I was notified firstly prelaunch then within a day or two of the books first release and had to wait until after Mark Wintle had signed the book to get my copy.

    Mark Wintle can expand on the expedition's or perhaps spend a season solely targeting Roach on each of our large rivers and perhaps a smaller river in each County then work like mad (I guess) writing up the book in the closed season or at night after he has been fishing...hehehe

    EDIT:
    Maybe get different angler who each fish one of our larger river's and/or smaller county river's to let him know what they used (bait wise...hopeful Toad....hehehe) and how their trips went on. Just a thought, biased because I would love to see more fishing our rivers.
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    I took the rod caught record and just divided it as I felt was right.
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    So just to be clear mr toad your opinion ( which you are of coarse entitled to) on
    what is a big, medium or small Roach is based on dividing the current record weight
    rather than fish you have actually caught?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip View Post
    So just to be clear mr toad your opinion ( which you are of coarse entitled to) on
    what is a big, medium or small Roach is based on dividing the current record weight
    rather than fish you have actually caught?
    That's right, its just the way I was first told to do it when I was a small child and I have always done it the same for all species even the few species I never fish for. The same has applied to the many many anglers with whom I have had the honour and pleasure to fish with. Perhaps I may have seen fish caught that nobody would believe from places that nobody would consider perhaps not, that is my business and the business of those I may have been with or not I will not say one way or the other. Other than to say I believe there are more Big Roach in our rivers than many would or could believe.

    I must also say although I do carry both a measure a camera and scales (the scales I have professionally checked each year), unless one of the guys I am fishing with really insists I do not even weigh my fish, nor do I carry or use a keepnet if you are not in a match why hamper yourself with the burden of extra weight. Each fish to me is an individual and each catch is an individual thing and I take pleasure from each outing and each fish I catch whether that is a 1oz Dace or a 10lb Roach...hehehe. For me its not about filling a keepnet nor how big or heavy a fish is its about finding and catching a fish that is in great condition, if that fish is healthy and in good condition then regardless of size or weight I am as happy as a sandboy. I call myself a pleasure angler perhaps I do lean towards species hunting maybe even to the point of specimen hunting, but essentially I love angling and for me that is not about what size or weight a fish is nor is it about a love of boasting or telling tall stories its about going out and catching a fish, enjoying the challenge, being at one with nature. Its simply a love of angling.

    EDIT:
    During my fishing life I have been fortunate to fish with anglers whom I consider to be great, perhaps they are not all famous or well known but in my eyes that does not make them any the less great. Mostly have have been men older than I am now (I'm more than well into my 60's) although there have been a few exceptions to that age comment, they have been without exception one and all keen and experienced anglers who like me do not need or look for the approval nor the applaud of fellow anglers, Just confident and certain of their own personal abilities, skills and knowledge and simply take pleasure in what they catch. Sure maybe this is a more unusual attitude in today's world, but it is mine I compete against fish, the weather, conditions and myself and that is enough for me. I have over the years experienced a lot, learned a lot and even seen a lot, for me that has been enough I have a pretty good knowledge of tackle, techniques, baits and methods and every day I look to learn more. My standard jest or joke is I am after a 10lb Roach (well it would be something) but it is an obvious jest, a joke, if others cannot see that sorry its my way.

    I do not and never have said I know everything, sure I can be pedantic on definitions when it comes to styles or float names that's just because I have seen people really get mixed up when two people describe a method or style to a third party and because of a misuse of a name completely fail to help the third party who is looking for advice, why? usually because some famous or would be famous person is wrongly claiming that they invented this or that of mis-describing a method or article (float) which perhaps they themselves are not too sure about or were a victim of a mis-explanation.
    END EDIT:
    Last edited by watatoad; 12-09-2011 at 13:10. Reason: need to add a bit
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