Best hooks for Barbel/chub?

[aebitim]

I'll be on the Wye next week and looking at this:
BBC Weather : Hereford
This:
Farson Digital Watercams - Hi-def webcam on River Wye, at Hereford
And this:
Environment Agency - River levels station data

It'll feeder fishing with maggots for me, 3 on a size 12 and 2 on a size 14 hook, either a Kamasan 983 or Drennan Carbon Specimen.

Just ordered 6 pints of maggots, and expect that will be the way to go, however, had some good success with the meat and think it would be foolish to rule it out.

 

[904_cannon]

Kamasan wide gape specialist for chub. I cant remember the number off hand - has been some time since I last bought any. A black slightly thinner wire hook than their normal specialist but are available in sizes up to 2's
Available in barbed and barbless. I use the barbed and crush the barb leaving a 'bump' which is sufficient to stop the hook slicing through soft tissue, as can happen with barbless.

I tend to avoid any product that displays "carp" as it seems to be a licence to charge silly money.

 

[mark brailsford 2]

I tend to avoid any product that displays "carp" as it seems to be a licence to charge silly money.

To Bloody right there John!

 

[chav professor]

I'll be on the Wye next week and looking at this:
BBC Weather : Hereford
This:
Farson Digital Watercams - Hi-def webcam on River Wye, at Hereford
And this:
Environment Agency - River levels station data

It'll feeder fishing with maggots for me, 3 on a size 12 and 2 on a size 14 hook, either a Kamasan 983 or Drennan Carbon Specimen.

Great data that Colin - it is low and clear - very clear!

 

[cg74]

I tend to avoid any product that displays "carp" as it seems to be a licence to charge silly money.

Ah yes, the carp tax; it's comes sales with lines like - "Do you want to risk losing the fish of a lifetime"

It's becoming increasingly prevalent in barbel fishing these days. I don't think it'll ever have any real impact on smaller, less hard fighting species such as chub, especially with the vast array of cheap (but good) game hooks on the market.

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Just ordered 6 pints of maggots, and expect that will be the way to go, however, had some good success with the meat and think it would be foolish to rule it out.

TBH I don't think there is a better way of building a swim than the constant stimulus of maggots trickling through the water, for barbel and chub.

I certainly wouldn't rule out a large(ish) high attract hook bait; used on its own and placed right in the fishes face.
I'll be using pellets, boilies and an oily paste wrap for my bonus fish fishing.

 

[aebitim]

The carp tax, is that because these days we use so many methods pioneered and refined by carp anglers?
Certainly carp hooks can be expensive but do have the advantage of specialised patterns.
About 20% of the hooks I buy are carp taxed, I think it probably goes back to the day when I discovered partridge hooks and the difference they made to my fishing.
I am not a carp angler, other than in the all rounder sense, but the more I find out about the bivvy dwellers the more respect I have for them.

 

[cg74]

Great data that Colin - it is low and clear - very clear!

Prewarned is prearmed, for barbel I think the temperature is going to be key but it's been stable for a while and should rise a little over next few days.
So hopefully it shouldn't be too hard??

 

[aebitim]

Ah yes, the carp tax; it's comes sales with lines like - "Do you want to risk losing the fish of a lifetime"

It's becoming increasingly prevalent in barbel fishing these days. I don't think it'll ever have any real impact on smaller, less hard fighting species such as chub, especially with the vast array of cheap (but good) game hooks on the market.

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TBH I don't think there is a better way of building a swim than the constant stimulus of maggots trickling through the water, for barbel and chub.

I certainly wouldn't rule out a large(ish) high attract hook bait; used on its own and placed right in the fishes face.
I'll be using pellets, boilies and an oily paste wrap for my bonus fish fishing.

A little confusion to clear up I think, I posted about the large meat baits as someone posted asking if anybody used large meat baits on big hooks. For me this is a great floodwater tactic and is always worth a try but does seem to be more effective in the warmer weather. This trip I will try meat on a 6 or 8 especially after dark. Another bait I will have with me is sweetcorn, this can be deadly even though its winter, and bread of course. My beat gets no angling pressure [22 rod days so far this season] and doesnt seem to respond respond at all to the boily or pellet tactic.
Grayling, are also on the agenda.

 

[cg74]

The carp tax, is that because these days we use so many methods pioneered and refined by carp anglers?
Certainly carp hooks can be expensive but do have the advantage of specialised patterns.
About 20% of the hooks I buy are carp taxed, I think it probably goes back to the day when I discovered partridge hooks and the difference they made to my fishing.
I am not a carp angler, other than in the all rounder sense, but the more I find out about the bivvy dwellers the more respect I have for them.

I wholly agree carp angling is where the majority of innovation is going on but take a look here and you'll soon see where their ideas stem from:
kamasan fly hooks - Bing Images

But game anglers do not pay a fiver for 10 hooks and worth considering, some are potentially going to hook a 40lb salmon.

 

[benny samways]

Pallatrax the Hook or Drennan Super Specialists for me.

They cover everything but if someone could point in the direction of what Pallatrax sell as their Hook then I would be much obliged.

 

[Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)]

Here's what I use

Fulling Mill Super Heavy Weight Grub Hook

A pack of 50 for the same price you pay for the same hooks aimed at the carp market.

ESP Raptor T6 short shank with in turned point. More expensive than the Fulling mills but a very reliable strong hook.

Drennan Specialist BARBEL - again very strong, but expensive. I tend to use in the smaller sizes for smaller baits.

Kamasan Wide gape 983 - I tend to use this when specifiaclly aiming for chub on bread, crust and corn. A good hook but a good chance a barbel will straighten it. Iv'e had 1.5lb chub open up a size 14.

 

[mark brailsford 2]

Pallatrax the Hook or Drennan Super Specialists for me.

They cover everything but if someone could point in the direction of what Pallatrax sell as their Hook then I would be much obliged.

Probably Korda...The king of carp

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Here's what I use

Fulling Mill Super Heavy Weight Grub Hook

A pack of 50 for the same price you pay for the same hooks aimed at the carp market.

ESP Raptor T6 short shank with in turned point. More expensive than the Fulling mills but a very reliable strong hook.

Drennan Specialist BARBEL - again very strong, but expensive. I tend to use in the smaller sizes for smaller baits.

Kamasan Wide gape 983 - I tend to use this when specifiaclly aiming for chub on bread, crust and corn. A good hook but a good chance a barbel will straighten it. Iv'e had 1.5lb chub open up a size 14.

The Kamy B983 are good hooks so I've been told Matt, but I have just been and purchased a few packets of Drennan SS wide gape, compared them with the Kamasan they are just a tad thicker (and stronger) in the wire. I did not even know that Drennan did a wide gape version of the Super Specialist till I started this thread and started looking around the net but I am well impressed with the look of them and if they are as good as the old SS then I will be a very happy man going to buy a few sizes of the ESP T-6 too,for the double figure barbel that lurk in the boulder strewn depths of the Ribble

Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread, it really has helped me make my mind up in as what to purchase

 

[Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)]

Please learn how to spell impressed Mark - its the second time I have noticed 'imprest' - your lack of education makes you look like a copper.

 

[mark brailsford 2]

Please learn how to spell impressed Mark - its the second time I have noticed 'imprest' - your lack of education makes you look like a copper.

You know matt, it's not a word that I used very often but it's the bloody spell checker that keeps telling me that it's right and I keep thinking that looks wrong too me mg:
Be carefull what you say about coppers on here mate, WE are being watched, but you knew that allready, didn't you? :wi

 

[cg74]

Kamasan Wide gape 983 - I tend to use this when specifiaclly aiming for chub on bread, crust and corn. A good hook but a good chance a barbel will straighten it. Iv'e had 1.5lb chub open up a size 14.

Did you land the chub?

 

[Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)]

Yes. It was on Ribble fish in at the Tickled Trout stretch.

The hook didn't straighten but was opening up.

I've had others near to 5lb on size 10 to 4 with no problem. But a decent barbel would probably open em up.

 

[mark brailsford 2]

It was on Ribble fish in at the Tickled Trout stretch.

Matt, there are some VERY BIG Barbel under that streamer weed

 

[Weeman]

Chav professor

Who makes the fake bread - sounds interesting…….

 

[mark brailsford 2]

Chav professor

Who makes the fake bread - sounds interesting…….

Enterprise Tackle market the stuff, I think!
I have used rubber Maggots to good effect before, good products

 

[Weeman]

Thanks Mark.

Just had a gander on flea-bay, looks quite good. There's also some sold by Carp Logic that looks very realistic - might get a pack of each and give it a go.

Fake bread with a squirt of Richworth wasp grub flavour could be a winner!