I got a new rod yesterday....

[sam vimes]

Yeaph, that's about right Chris, but I don't think it was so much a case of stiffening up the blanks as much as it was softening the tip to prevent light lines cracking off or banging off fish. I really don't get the bumping fish off thing as imo if you hook a fish and it's only a small fish it will just get pulled upin the water or even be pulled out of the surface, i've done it many times .

Check out what tricast have to say about the waggler rod....

Carbon Fibre Match Rods - The John Allerton Range From Tri-Cast Fishing

So going off that write up the waggler rod is stiffer than the stick rods but has a hollow tip which is no doubt a little thicker but also a little more robust which suites me.

I compared my spliced tip rods to my waggler rods and if i'm honest I just couldn't see that the strike was any faster at all. If I had found the strike was faster I certainly wouldn't have got shut of my Amorphous Tourney stick supreme.

As far as i've found if i'm fishing at long range i've no choice but to use a sweeping strike in order to set the hook. Obviously the lesser the distance the float is down stream the less power I need to put into the strike...if you get my meaning.
I think if you like the feel of a spliced tip then that's what you should have but having tried both i'm a avid waggler rod user

I'm not convinced that there's anything there that contradicts what I've said about spliced tip rods. In the specific case of the Allerton spliced and waggler, there's no doubt in my mind that the waggler is the more powerful rod. However, I'm also quite convinced that it has a quite different action. However, I don't consider the Allerton Waggler to be an uprated spliced tip Allerton rod because of that. It might share a name and look quite similar, but it's a different animal.

It's similar to you loving the Normarks for trotting and me being slightly less enthusiastic. Smashing rods, superb actions, but not out and out trotting rods for me. However, if you are limiting yourself to one or two rods for all types of float fishing, I can understand the enthusiasm for them. Probably the best allround float rods I've laid hands on. I tend to take mine to the river when I'm not entirely certain whether I'm going to fish a waggler or top and bottom float. The playing actions are undoubtedly superb, but I'm less convinced by the sweeping strikes required with a top and bottom float at distance.

The most direct comparisons between spliced tip stick rods would come from the old Daiwa ranges. In those I've got experience of, the difference in power between the stick and waggler rods of the same range were minimal, but the actions markedly different. At full fighting curve you'd struggle to tell them apart. But with little load, picking up line, mending and striking, the differences were fairly obvious.

Ultimately, it's all part and parcel of the different experiences we have and the slightly different techniques we develop over time to achieve similar aims. What suits one bloke doesn't necessarily suit the next.

 

[trotter2]

L (I can't really add much to what has already been said on the matter.
Like a lot off stuff there is nothing cast in stone and I don't think anyone is saying you can't use a Waggler rod for long trotting . Its all down to the individual and what your ultimately comfortable with.

Spliced tip rods usually when designed in the old days for light line stick float fishing had a very different action to the likes of there counterpart waggler rods.

What we have today are hollow tip rods which in essence are a little of both rolled into one.
More versatile and less specialised in comparision.

 

[tigger]

What we have today are hollow tip rods which in essence are a little of both rolled into one.
More versatile and less specialised in comparision.

You may well have something there Trotter. I personally think because of the materials and technology available today the need to splice a tip into a rod has been made redundant. Obviously spliced tipped rods still have a dedicated following of anglers who like to use them so lets hope the manufacturers bear this in mind and don't write them off any time soon .

I do remember reading a J Wilson book, I think it was the coarse fishing manual (i've still got it somewhere, it's a good book) and in it he preferred a waggler rod for the same reasons as myself .

 

[trotter2]

You may well have something there Trotter. I personally think because of the materials and technology available today the need to splice a tip into a rod has been made redundant. Obviously spliced tipped rods still have a dedicated following of anglers who like to use them so lets hope the manufacturers bear this in mind and don't write them off any time soon .

I do remember reading a J Wilson book, I think it was the coarse fishing manual (i've still got it somewhere, it's a good book) and in it he preferred a waggler rod for the same reasons as myself .

That's right because a spliced tip rod is essesentaly a stick float rod trigger.
What some don't understand is long trotting is not stick float fishing and requires an all together more power full rod.
From what I have read about your fishing and the techniques used ,from the john allerton range you have picked the right rod which is more suitable for your needs.

 

[laguna]

 

[thames mudlarker]

That's right because a spliced tip rod is essesentaly a stick float rod trigger.
What some don't understand is long trotting is not stick float fishing and requires an all together more power full rod.
From what I have read about your fishing and the techniques used ,from the john allerton range you have picked the right rod which is more suitable for your needs.

Absolutely agree, well said mate :thumbs:

As the majority of my fishing is stick float fishing and generally no more than one and a half rod lengths out which is the norm my belief is that fishing the stick has never been intended for any form of long trotting, the important aspect of the stick is obviously more to do with float control, slowing down, inching through, holding back etc within short to medium trotting distance :thumbs:

Whereas the waggler in hind sight is virtually left un checked and to take its own course and is where the long trotting comes into play and again is where generally a more powerful rod with a faster action is normally used.

I'd simply luv to be able to get hold of a few more original splice tipped rods once again for me stick fishing, more so because I can remember using some of these in me earlier days and got used to using em

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Probably like most of us....not a cat in hells chance ......

 

[lutra]

That's right because a spliced tip rod is essesentaly a stick float rod trigger.
What some don't understand is long trotting is not stick float fishing and requires an all together more power full rod.
From what I have read about your fishing and the techniques used ,from the john allerton range you have picked the right rod which is more suitable for your needs.

That's very polite. Fishing for silvers bores him,he thinks stick floats or any half light float is a waste of time and anything less than 6lb sensor is pointless. The fish he likes to catch bend his rod double and speed of strike don't really matter because if he shut his eye's when trotting they would yank the rod around anyway.

So there an't really much point in talking to tigger about spliced tipped stickfloat rods.mg:

 

[thames mudlarker]

That's very polite. Fishing for silvers bores him,he thinks stick floats or any half light float is a waste of time and anything less than 6lb sensor is pointless. The fish he likes to catch bend his rod double and speed of strike don't really matter because if he shut his eye's when trotting they would yank the rod around anyway.

So there an't really much point in talking to tigger about spliced tipped stickfloat rods.mg:

I don't think that trotter 2 quite meant it like that !!

I can understand where he's coming from in the respect that tigger was clearly fishing for barbel over shallowish gravel runs and up to 70 yds or so,

Not many silver fish stick float anglers that would trot 70 yds :wh

Tigger I presume was obviously trotting this kinda distance for a reason IE because the barbel where more than likely towards the end of the run and I suppose with some feed would slowly work their way upstream

Clearly it stands to reason that if anyone is trotting with 6 lb mainline and at 70 yds for barbel that the rod in question is perfect for the job being a far more faster action and powerful rod than what any normal or traditional stick float rod would ever be able to cope with

The way that I see it is that tiggers new rod is absolutely perfect for the job in hand :thumbs:

 

[lutra]

I don't think that trotter 2 quite meant it like that !!

Like what?

Fact, Trotting with light tackle for fast bitting silver fish doesn't seem to be tiggers thing. I'm not trying to be rude about it. Yes I agree he has probably picked the better rod for how he likes to fish.

 

[thames mudlarker]

Like what?

Fact, Trotting with light tackle for fast bitting silver fish doesn't seem to be tiggers thing. I'm not trying to be rude about it. Yes I agree he has probably picked the better rod for how he likes to fish.

No worries mate

I think that trotter was just initially trying to state that the waggler rod in question was probably tiggers best choice of rod for the type of fishing that is being done

That was all, No problem

 

[trotter2]

Just to get this straight my remarks about triggers techniques and choice of tackle were a compliment to the guy. His results speak for them self.:thumbs:
If indeed I find my self in a similar role I would fish the same way.It's horse's for courses.
The point I as making and the only point is given the choice of rods available in the John allerton range triggers choice of rod was the right one.

A proper stick float rod is a very delicate tool it would be very little use to the guy that's all.

 

[tigger]

Like what?

Fact, Trotting with light tackle for fast bitting silver fish doesn't seem to be tiggers thing. I'm not trying to be rude about it. Yes I agree he has probably picked the better rod for how he likes to fish.

Take no notice of Brian gent's, he just likes catching little fish because he's too lazy to wind in larger ones...he's a good angler but a very lazy one....he's a miserable old codger n'all .

Brian, regarding waggler rods you know i'll catch just as many silvers with my Avenger as any spliced tip rod whether fishing off the tip or mid river and trotting the float as far as I can see it.

 

[lutra]

Take no notice of Brian gent's, he just likes catching little fish because he's too lazy to wind in larger ones...he's a good angler but a very lazy one....he's a miserable old codger n'all .

Brian, regarding waggler rods you know i'll catch just as many silvers with my Avenger as any spliced tip rod whether fishing off the tip or mid river and trotting the float as far as I can see it.

Ian you should just join a jim. Next thing you will be getting a pushbike and girls tights to go fishing. lol

 

[tigger]

Ian you should just join a jim. Next thing you will be getting a pushbike and girls tights to go fishing. lol

Who's Jim ?
Got the bike already but not got the tights yet :wh.

 

[thames mudlarker]

Just to get this straight my remarks about triggers techniques and choice of tackle were a compliment to the guy. His results speak for them self.:thumbs:
If indeed I find my self in a similar role I would fish the same way.It's horse's for courses.
The point I as making and the only point is given the choice of rods available in the John allerton range triggers choice of rod was the right one.

A proper stick float rod is a very delicate tool it would be very little use to the guy that's all.

Absolutely mate, well said :thumbs:

 

[Andy Pet]

It's a cracking review of a rod and a fantastic catch. Love the rod and the pin

 

[tigger]

It's a cracking review of a rod and a fantastic catch. Love the rod and the pin

Thank's Andy .

 

[dicky123]

Sorry to open such an old thread, but! I'm interested in the finer rod, the one designed as a stick float rod. 13' with lines up to 5lb spliced tip, not the bigger waggler version. I have the Acolyte plus for that.

Anyone tried the lighter version please?

Rich.

 

[tigger]

Sorry to open such an old thread, but! I'm interested in the finer rod, the one designed as a stick float rod. 13' with lines up to 5lb spliced tip, not the bigger waggler version. I have the Acolyte plus for that.

Anyone tried the lighter version please?

Rich.

I know Sam Vines got the spliced tip versions and maybe he can help you.

My advice would be ..."don't get one". If I remember rightly Sam was dissapointed with his as they turned out to be much more powerfull than the waggler version!
The Waggler isnt a powerfull rod and has a slower action than the accy plus rods.

 

[sam vimes]

Sorry to open such an old thread, but! I'm interested in the finer rod, the one designed as a stick float rod. 13' with lines up to 5lb spliced tip, not the bigger waggler version. I have the Acolyte plus for that.

Anyone tried the lighter version please?

Rich.

Rich,
if you want to see one in the flesh, ask your local stockist to get one in for you. Tri-Cast do a no obligation (on the part of the retailer) scheme for potential customers to see gear that may not normally stocked.

Unlike many, I'm not particularly keen on the John Allerton Spliced Tip Rods. I was always dubious from tackle shop waggling, but the overwhelmingly positive views of users swayed me to give them a try. Unfortunately, my initial misgivings were realised and I don't really like them a great deal. I've even got to wondering whether the older versions of the Allerton were more than just cosmetically different.

I'd rather use an Acolyte (Plus or Ultra) as a trotting rod than the Allertons. Initially, due to the actions, I considered the Acolytes as being better suited for river work than stillwater waggler. After giving them more of a go for stillwater work, my stance on that has softened somewhat. However, I still consider them not quite through enough for an out and out waggler rod.

For my money, the Browning Sphere Spliced Tip River rods are the ones to look at if you want a brand new spliced tip rod. Though they aren't cheap, they are as light as the Acolytes with an action much more reminiscent of the top line Daiwa spliced tip rods of twenty five years (plus) ago. Obviously, you could just look to one of those second hand Daiwas, but they are rarely cheap and there's no chance of spares. They also show their age in terms of weight, diameter and fittings.