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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Guys, thought I'd revive this rather than starting another thread about the same thing?

    I noticed on several You-tube videos that many match men put the hooking rig and shot on a thicker piece of line. So say a 3lb reel line, 4lb for the shot, and maybe float, then a 1.5lb hook-link. Its because its easier to put shot on thicker line, and it moves better, less damage. If the floats are going on winders, I feel this is a great idea!

    Some on the forum mentioned they don't use winders, because of all the trouble, and do it on the bank. I've lost more number 8s shot on the bank than anything. But at home I can put 20 number 8s on if I wish, in good light, with a small pair of pliers. Now I'm using 4lb line for all the floats, stick and waggler. Worth a thought maybe?

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Quote Originally Posted by dicky123 View Post
    Guys, thought I'd revive this rather than starting another thread about the same thing?

    I noticed on several You-tube videos that many match men put the hooking rig and shot on a thicker piece of line. So say a 3lb reel line, 4lb for the shot, and maybe float, then a 1.5lb hook-link. Its because its easier to put shot on thicker line, and it moves better, less damage. If the floats are going on winders, I feel this is a great idea!

    Some on the forum mentioned they don't use winders, because of all the trouble, and do it on the bank. I've lost more number 8s shot on the bank than anything. But at home I can put 20 number 8s on if I wish, in good light, with a small pair of pliers. Now I'm using 4lb line for all the floats, stick and waggler. Worth a thought maybe?
    I’ve decided to put my Waggler rigs for a shallow venue that I fish onto winders as doing it on the bankside every time is just a faff. More fishing time instead of fiddling with waggler connectors and shot.

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Match anglers tying stick float rigs on winders to me is because most,dont have a spare minute for rigging up,after getting their platforms,poles,g.bait sorted,yet imo,unless the rig was tied up 'fresh' it isn't reliable enough for me,there should be no weeak spots,wrinkles in the line,which cant be achieved in a rig thats been used,shot being moved about creates weak areas that might be ok for five hours but not the next day and knots above my float are a definite no-no to me....
    Last edited by whitty; 31-03-2020 at 09:14.

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Quote Originally Posted by whitty View Post
    Match anglers tying stick float rigs on winders to me is because most,don have a spare minute for rigging up,after getting their platforms,poles,g.bait sorted,yet imo,unless the rig was tied up 'fresh' it isn't reliable enough for me,there should be no weeak spots,wrinkles in the line,which cant be achieved in a rig thats been used,shot being moved about creates weak areas that might be ok for five hours but not the next day and knots above my float are a definite no-no to me....

    Exactly that for me though I'm only pleasure fishing these days. I no long rig stick floats up with 20 no. 8s, only using 6 to 8 shot of whatever size does the job.

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Quote Originally Posted by whitty View Post
    Match anglers tying stick float rigs on winders to me is because most,dont have a spare minute for rigging up,after getting their platforms,poles,g.bait sorted,yet imo,unless the rig was tied up 'fresh' it isn't reliable enough for me,there should be no weeak spots,wrinkles in the line,which cant be achieved in a rig thats been used,shot being moved about creates weak areas that might be ok for five hours but not the next day and knots above my float are a definite no-no to me....
    Appreciate what you mean about knots above the float but, as a fly fisherman, I am constantly having multiple knots (droppers) and loops (joints) above the business end of the rig so having a couple of loops above a float is neither here nor there.

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    On two or three pound line though,iffy at best,bit different on heavier,there is a buffer eh?
    That said,thats my reason for not doing it,if others prefer winders thats thats their lookout,lol...
    Last edited by whitty; 31-03-2020 at 09:55.

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    Any knot above the rig is always going to be stronger than the hooklength join to rig line. So if my reel line is 0.14mm and rig line 0.16mm my hooklength is going to be below 0.14mm every time, likely 0.10mm and below.

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    Default Re: Stick floats on winders

    Quote Originally Posted by whitty View Post
    On two or three pound line though,iffy at best,bit different on heavier,there is a buffer eh?
    That said,thats my reason for not doing it,if others prefer winders thats thats their lookout,lol...
    Fly leaders aren’t known for being heavy except for maybe pike or bass flies. My standard leaders are 3 or 4lb for river and lake and only that heavy in case a weighted fly gets stuck in stones or weed and needs pulling free.

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    If you use the winder method of storing running line float rigs its common to use them 2 or 3 times then start again.The idea that you can use the rig all season would be foolish. It's done as a technique to rig up fast on the day rather than a procedure that can be repeated multiple time, As always check each time you use it by giving it a good stretch equal to its line strength. After 2 to 3 times out I scrap it and start again,you have had good use out of it why risk it.

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    I will often rig up from start in a match if I have the time to do this.But it's good to know you have a rig made up ready on a winder that can be very quickly tied on. If you break or get a tangle mid match it saves time.

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