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    Default Close Season no more?

    I'm not qualified to comment as to the implied lack of impact on spawning of no close season on still waters, but it's an interesting perspective as reported in the Telegraph none-the-less...

    As one who predominantly fishes still waters but is increasingly getting into rivers, I'm really not sure how I feel about this.

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    Default Re: Close Season no more?

    The issue is certainly gaining significant momentum and personally I think it's nothing more than when, as opposed to if, the river close season goes.

    I said similar in the other thread recently, I'm for retaining it in no other sense than nostalgia as I don't see what purpose it serves when one of the main river species are spawning just as, or after we return, on the 16th June.

    Given that the world is now a very different place I reckon poachers, paddlers and avian predators wouldn't enjoy the three month free reign that they currently do if anglers were still on the banks although that's arguable given how few (other anglers) I see.

    In which case you would argue what damage so few anglers could cause but any damage at all is unacceptable imo.

    I also see my local stillwaters fishing better than ever so the ending of the close season seems to have had little impact there.

    I will be a little saddened to no longer be able to celebrate The Glorious 16th but I am free to observe it and follow with tradition, whilst allowing others the same freedom of choice and I think those exercising that freedom will be able to do so with little if any impact at all in relation to fish stocks and spawning.

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    Default Re: Close Season no more?

    Maybe then if it is abolished and I think (hope) it will be river anglers will have the full value from the fishing tax they pay instead of being restricted as they are now, its outdated and doesn't represent why it was first introduced.
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    I would be sorry to see it go completely, a 6 week close season on all waters wouldn't do me, fish or the rest of nature any harm; maybe an earlier 6 week separate one for predators. Its not long for us to stop fishing. it would pass quick enough. The reason for it lifted on still waters was commercials could not suffer the financial break but 6 weeks! maybe they could and use the time to do repairs and stocking on their waters.
    All the arguments about spawning, well I don't know but I am sure a lot of spawning fish will get a break from us and I don't mind that, I don't have to fish every week of the year. When it was 3 months I would get a bit itchy and miffed but 6 weeks, not a problem for me I think.
    To me a 6 week total close season is a fair compromise for the antis and pros, everyone gets a bit of they want, if nature could have a say in what it wanted, it would stop it completely so 6 weeks total is a bit of compromise for it as well.
    I don't think fishing in the close season does as much harm as some would think and the rivers are hardly going to be inundated with anglers if it is lifted but I still wouldn't mind giving it a break for 6 weeks.
    Not that I dismiss all the arguments about illegal fishing, paddlers, keeping an eye on the water, payment etc, I can see they are valid points but that's not a basis for consideration of close season laws for me personally, they are just sort of separate issues to me that need separate consideration; it has to be just about are the good reasons for it directly in its affects on fish and nature for me. And there are reasonable arguments that it does not do much good but I always come back to just my gut feeling, giving it a break for 6 weeks wouldn't harm me and nature usually does benefit in some way when left alone by human activity and I could still get a load of fishing done in 47 weeks..
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    Default Re: Close Season no more?

    Wildlife on still waters seems to cope without a closed season most of which get more attention than rivers, the spawning argument doesn't hold water, we (most anglers) no longer kill our catches, as it was this action that brought about the closed season in the first place imo it is no longer needed.

    There is of course the option for those that would like to see the closed season maintained to not fish during that period, there is also the option for controlling clubs to close their stretches but I could see that loosing members and anglers moving to clubs that keep their stretches open.
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    Default Re: Close Season no more?

    A law that's almost impossible to enforce, abolish it.

    I'm trying to remember when a lad what it was like when the close season was for still waters too. The thought of not being able to fish anywhere other than game or sea fishing for twelve weeks isn't a comforting thought.

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    I'd just like to point out in fairness of good reporting that the image of anglers fishing portrayed in The Telegraph is not of any English or Welsh anglers fishing a river, but of Scottish Anglers fishing the Tay in Scotland for salmon.



    From this arises two points: A) They're NOT coarse anglers and B) Scotland has NO close season for coarse fish.

    A small point perhaps, but now duly corrected.

    One more point - you don't require a licence at all in Scotland for catching coarse fish. Ain't it fair?
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    Its not but if you have to dress like that to fit in, the license is worth paying for.

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    Default Re: Close Season no more?

    Quote Originally Posted by thecrow View Post
    its outdated and doesn't represent why it was first introduced.
    For those who are interested heres the history of when and why the closed season was first introduced (From the Canal & River Trust web page):

    <History of the coarse fish close season | Canal & River Trust>

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    As a very recent returnee to winter river coarse fishing after a 35-year layoff, I'd be delighted if the Close Season was scrapped. I speak with the evangelical enthusiasm of the recently re-converted (like those former 40-a-day smokers who bang on and on at their mates who don't want to give up ). Colours to the mast, I flyfish rivers for wild trout and have to endure a 6-month Close Season in that game, and to be honest the early weeks of the season when cold tend to offer pretty poor sport.
    The opportunity to spend another few weeks mooching the banks of the Windrush,Cherwell or Thames, willing the quivertip to be pulled round by a beefy chub appeals far more that dredging the riverbed with tungsten-beaded nymphs in mind-numbing repetition. Dry fly - now that's a different matter, but that ain't happening 'til May, usually.
    Can't buy the argument that the fish in our rivers - those that are left - need us, the law-abiding conservation-minded anglers to lay off them for 3 months while they don't spawn. Apart from anything else there doesn't seem to be enough of us to make a blind bit of difference. In a dozen river trips since Christmas, I've encountered the grand total of one other angler (not counting bumping into Jason Bean in the car park at Thrupp as I was finishing and he was starting!).
    Those who wish the fish harm certainly don't think "Better not poach is weekend - it's the Close Season after all" and I for one would stop fishing immediately in the unlikely event I appeared to be disturbing fish that were spawning or preparing to.
    You never know, my presence might just keep a cormorant, otter, mink or poacher away from the river for a few more hours; small comfort, but nevertheless......

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