Quivertip test curves..

[daltons]

A slow night in our household after attending the daughters' parents evening at school.
The rest of them are now watching some godawful c##p on the telly - so what are you going to do other than test the t/c of a few recently-acquired push-in carbon and glass tips for the trusty chub-tamer....(ok, I have no life...)

I can tell you this - if the term 'test curve' means the same when applied to quiver tips as I understand it to mean when applied to rods - their given ratings are miles out!

I've always understood the term to mean the minimum amount of weight required to pull the rod tip to 90 degrees from the horizontally-clamped butt/handle.

I repaired to the kitchen laboratory. By cunning application of the brass weights off the pasta-weighing scales applied to the tip ring of the various tips by means of special scientific sellotape, a short length of Drennan Double Strength and a size 8 (de-barbed, after a 'near miss') Super Specialist, I recorded my results.

The 1-ouncer came in at 1.75 oz: the 2-ouncer came in at 3oz and the carbon 3-ouncer a meaty 6 (yes SIX) ounces.

Is this normal? (The differential between stated t/c and actual t/c, that is - not 'is it normal' to waste your evening on some pointless pseudo-scientific fishing-related nonsense, because in my case I'm afraid the answer is "yes" .....as my family will testify...)

Mike

 

[jasonbean1]

I agree with you the stated tc oftern means nothing and comparing tips with the same tc across manufacturers confirms there's no standard. I tend to only like slow taper push in's rather the fast taper type which are like Wiley bits on the end of a broom handle.


Which makes were you measuring?

 

[sam vimes]

I've tried to test the odd rod, with rather dubious results. I've never bothered to try a quiver tip, mainly because the ones I actually use aren't given a rating. However, I've never used the ratings (in ounces) as any more than a guide as to whether a tip is lighter, middling and heavier.

 

[daltons]

Hi Jason - the carbon ones came with my 11ft Shakey Agility - the glass ones were off everyone's favourite interweb auction site that you have to wet 'n dry down to fit.

Sam - quite agree - it's just a guide as to how to expect them to perform. Was just surprised how far out the given ratings were percentagewise.

 

[keora]

Was it just the quiver tip you tested, or did you test it with it pushed into the tip of the rod?

I think the second set up might give a lower test curve on the tip. As you apply a force to the line running through the rod and the quiver tip, the rod tip deflects as well as the quiver tip. If you test just the quiver tip, you've got to clamp the thick end so it doesn't move, and this might make it stiffer.

The accuracy of the test curve may not be that important as long as you have a couple of quiver tips to choose from on the day. You can tell the relative test curves just by bending the quivers in your hands.

 

[daltons]

Fair point, Keora - but if one was going to split hairs, the generic push-ins bought off the internet sans rod are still 'rated' , yet might not the test curve vary not only if tested in a rod rather than independently, but also vary from rod to rod, depending on the latter's action? If so - the rating still wouldn't mean much.
Seriously though, I don't really give a stuff that they're 'not as advertised' - they're all well-made bits of kit and the point that Sam and yourself make about just having a few to choose from - some more bendy and some less - is the relevant one.
Was just looking to kill a bit of time away from the telly last night is all .

 

[metalmicky1944]

Quiver tips are good on medium to quick flowing rivers rivers, but I have lost count of the number of occasions I have sat fishing in the close proximity of quiver tip anglers and seen them miss countless shy Bream, Roach and Tench bites on the Welland, Witham, Nene, Fen Drains and lakes all around the country whilst my "Swing Tip" and "Target Board" registering the shyest of lifts or drop backs has contributed to many good nets of fish and a great days fishing.
For those who are skeptical, give it a try this Summer you never know you may become converted to "Old School" style fishing, Chub nd Barble are not the only species of fish in the water.
TIGHT LINES

 

[soft plastic]

Quiver tips are good on medium to quick flowing rivers rivers, but I have lost count of the number of occasions I have sat fishing in the close proximity of quiver tip anglers and seen them miss countless shy Bream, Roach and Tench bites on the Welland, Witham, Nene, Fen Drains and lakes all around the country whilst my "Swing Tip" and "Target Board" registering the shyest of lifts or drop backs has contributed to many good nets of fish and a great days fishing.
For those who are skeptical, give it a try this Summer you never know you may become converted to "Old School" style fishing, Chub nd Barble are not the only species of fish in the water.
TIGHT LINES

No doubt that swing tips are great for showing bites on slow moving and/or still waters. The only problem is you struggle to fish and feed at distance with them. That's why the quiver tip with it's ability to sling a feeder a long way is so popular.

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[Philip]

On still / slow moving water bobbins will show the same movement as a swing tip & can be taken off the line when you cast.

Washing up liquid bottle tops need to make a comeback I recon

 

[tigger]

On still / slow moving water bobbins will show the same movement as a swing tip & can be taken off the line when you cast.

Washing up liquid bottle tops need to make a comeback I recon

The tip of the rod gives the first indication of a bite. Often when fishing for tench using bobbins or climbers you'll see the tip move and there's nothing registered further up the rod where the bobbins are and thats using tight lines direct to the bait and light as possible bobbins.

 

[Keith M]

The tip of the rod gives the first indication of a bite. Often when fishing for tench using bobbins or climbers you'll see the tip move and there's nothing registered further up the rod where the bobbins are and thats using tight lines direct to the bait and light as possible bobbins.

I agree with tigger; when I used to use the swingtip I found that at times the swingtip was a lot more sensitive at indicating bites than any bobbins or sidewinders I used; especially when bites were tentative like the ones you often get when Crucians are your target or when a Roach or Rudd is picking up your bait; a small tentative bite can often turn into a large movement on the swingtip before anything is felt by the fish.

keith

 

[Richox12]

The test curve is measured with the rod or quivertip held VERTICALLY not horizontally. Results will be totally different.