tench2k3
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is it better to use a pole float on a whip , or a canal float ,if a canal float do you fix it top and bottom or bottom only
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Keith M
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It depends on whether you can cast easily with your pole float without any tangles or whether you are fishing with a shorter whip closer in, or fishing a longer whip and could have some surface drift.
I myself prefer a small waggler fixed bottom only with most of my shot up under the float, but I prefer to use my longest whips of 6 or 7mtrs and cast at full distance and if there’s any wind causing surface drift problems I can easily sink my line out of the way, especially if I’m having to wait for bites.
So it depends on how you want to be fishing. There’s absolutely no right or wrong way.
Keith
I myself prefer a small waggler fixed bottom only with most of my shot up under the float, but I prefer to use my longest whips of 6 or 7mtrs and cast at full distance and if there’s any wind causing surface drift problems I can easily sink my line out of the way, especially if I’m having to wait for bites.
So it depends on how you want to be fishing. There’s absolutely no right or wrong way.
Keith
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valetudoguy
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I fish short whips under 5m and exclusively use pole floats attached top and bottom. I love the sensitivity and direct contact it gives me, super fast way of fishing for small stuff and really nice when situations make it right for Crucian.
Though I would not purposely hunt big stuff with this style I have had fish in over 3lb possibly up to 4lb. I wouldn't fancy an angry 6lb+ Carp though.
Though I would not purposely hunt big stuff with this style I have had fish in over 3lb possibly up to 4lb. I wouldn't fancy an angry 6lb+ Carp though.
Jeff Woodhouse
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Depends what you're after on the whip, but as a match fishing method I was recommended the following by one of our local top match lads.
Fix a small crystal waggler to the line with enough shot to set it on either side or if it's a loaded waggler use silicone floats stops. No weights down the line unless you want to cut through some nuisance top feeders, then a 6 or 8 shot only 4-6 inches from hook. I've used this a lot for some quality roach and dace from the river.
On the other hand, I have some small pole float rigs set up for shallow water fishing and have had carp to 2½lbs on a 5 metre Sensas whip. I sometimes set the hook off the bottom to avoid very small skimmers.
Fix a small crystal waggler to the line with enough shot to set it on either side or if it's a loaded waggler use silicone floats stops. No weights down the line unless you want to cut through some nuisance top feeders, then a 6 or 8 shot only 4-6 inches from hook. I've used this a lot for some quality roach and dace from the river.
On the other hand, I have some small pole float rigs set up for shallow water fishing and have had carp to 2½lbs on a 5 metre Sensas whip. I sometimes set the hook off the bottom to avoid very small skimmers.
rayner
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It appears we all use our whips differently. Floats are wagglers then the variation sets in.
I never go over 4mtr; small fish only, I don't use locking shot for my wagglers just float stops, one at mid depth one at the length of the rig, only use loaded wagglers, all balancing shot = no more than 4 No 8s below half depth, limit my hook length = no more than 0.6 or 12oz plenty heavy enough for Roach.
If the water has more depth than 5 feet I use running line.
PS the gap between the two float stops allows for the line on the surface to sink.
I get my float stops from China, they take a while to come but are only a couple of quid for 100, Wagglers I make my own, once you have all the components they work out at pence each.
I never go over 4mtr; small fish only, I don't use locking shot for my wagglers just float stops, one at mid depth one at the length of the rig, only use loaded wagglers, all balancing shot = no more than 4 No 8s below half depth, limit my hook length = no more than 0.6 or 12oz plenty heavy enough for Roach.
If the water has more depth than 5 feet I use running line.
PS the gap between the two float stops allows for the line on the surface to sink.
I get my float stops from China, they take a while to come but are only a couple of quid for 100, Wagglers I make my own, once you have all the components they work out at pence each.
Talking more generally about whips I seem to recall our very own moderator Mr Jacobs did a rather good article about them. I couldnt find it with the new FM search function so dont have the link but its worth doing a bit of digging for.
Interesting this, certainly agree nothing ruled in or out and I'm going to tie a few different rigs after reading the previous posts.
Personally found the Drennan glow tip antenna float with an Olivet/locking shot and the float sliding to a rubber bead setting the depth really easy. I always fish 4 metres to hand plus an additional 4 metres that can be added in sections or all in one go.
I mainly use this set up on the canal/river but sometimes change to a smallish Bolo float set up on the river,
I'd say whip fishing is fishing in it's most simplest form and at times one of the most enjoyable.
Personally found the Drennan glow tip antenna float with an Olivet/locking shot and the float sliding to a rubber bead setting the depth really easy. I always fish 4 metres to hand plus an additional 4 metres that can be added in sections or all in one go.
I mainly use this set up on the canal/river but sometimes change to a smallish Bolo float set up on the river,
I'd say whip fishing is fishing in it's most simplest form and at times one of the most enjoyable.
After we changed server providers some older articles lost some of the attached photos. but the text here is still good . . . .
Short Whip Fishing | FishingMagic
Hope it helps
Short Whip Fishing | FishingMagic
Hope it helps
As for floats, personally I used a pole float (more sensitive) in probably 90% of the match situations unless the conditions demanded a waggler, and even then I'd be uncertain if the whip was the right method on those days.
I'm sure others will disagree but that is how I fished the method.
I'm sure others will disagree but that is how I fished the method.
Another Dave
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The pictures still exist, just the links don't work with the extra code after the .jpg
For example
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take off the last bit and
https://www.fishingmagic.com/fmimages/news/pjwhips4.jpg
bennygesserit
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A couple of threads about whip fishing on here have really opened my eyes to a method that I knew very little about. It's my little girls birthday next week and I'm going to get her a 3 metre whip, she says that she only really likes to catch small fish! After reading a few articles and watching videos, I'm convinced she will catch more and enjoy the simplicity of the method.
Thank you Fishing Magic for making me rethink my tactics......and hopefully eliminate the hours I spend untangling acres of line from around small reels and rod tips!
Thank you Fishing Magic for making me rethink my tactics......and hopefully eliminate the hours I spend untangling acres of line from around small reels and rod tips!
mikench
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I hope it works out. I bought a whip buy have yet to use it.
I have several whips but I don't use any of them now, I used to use them for small fish fishing on the Trent, soar and canal.
Regards floats I always used tiny stick floats, in Nottingham we had 'black nats' back in the day, the floats I used to use was similar to them but slight different. I won quite a few sections with my whips but I don't match fish anymore and that fishing isn't my idea of fun nowadays so I don't do it. If you have any question I'm more than willing to help
Regards floats I always used tiny stick floats, in Nottingham we had 'black nats' back in the day, the floats I used to use was similar to them but slight different. I won quite a few sections with my whips but I don't match fish anymore and that fishing isn't my idea of fun nowadays so I don't do it. If you have any question I'm more than willing to help
as one of the few active (natural water) match fisherman on this forum - I use whips a lot.
personally I always use a top & bottom float - if it's that windy that I would need a waggler then I would be using a pole or fishing rod & line.
Depending on the situation I have rigs from 3 dust shot up to 8g floats! A lot of my whip fishing is done with a 4 or 5 m whip and a small wire-stemmed peacock quill float that take between 3 and 6 no.8 shot. This is for fishing steady flowing rivers up to 5 or 6 foot deep.
personally I always use a top & bottom float - if it's that windy that I would need a waggler then I would be using a pole or fishing rod & line.
Depending on the situation I have rigs from 3 dust shot up to 8g floats! A lot of my whip fishing is done with a 4 or 5 m whip and a small wire-stemmed peacock quill float that take between 3 and 6 no.8 shot. This is for fishing steady flowing rivers up to 5 or 6 foot deep.
mikench
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Which whips out of interest?
An old whip never dies... it just takes on some odd curves!
I use three from the 80s and two more from the noughties ... none are available for sale now ... so not much use!
Old
Shakespeare 3m
Shaky super team 7m (this is the one I use most)
Maverick Thema alborella 4m
Slightly younger
Shaky super team 8m
Daiwa tournament pro 10m
Those two I mostly use elasticated on the wye and Severn for dace fishing
I use three from the 80s and two more from the noughties ... none are available for sale now ... so not much use!
Old
Shakespeare 3m
Shaky super team 7m (this is the one I use most)
Maverick Thema alborella 4m
Slightly younger
Shaky super team 8m
Daiwa tournament pro 10m
Those two I mostly use elasticated on the wye and Severn for dace fishing
This is probably a really stupid question but I know nothing about whips or poles! What is the difference? I fish the Basingstoke Canal sometimes but there are some interesting looking swims with overhanging trees on my side so I thought maybe of trying a whip (for the roach). Are all whips telescopic because I will need to add sections? Also there are river swims where I would like to lay-on across a reed bed could this be achieved with a whip of about 8 metres. One last question, which whip would you recommend? Thanks.
can of worms truly opened ...
anglers and manufacturers use the terms with a bit of abandon, and there is some cross-over.
Historically a whip is a simple pole with a flexible solid top (flick tip). The line is attached directly to that tip and the rig is just shorter than the length of the whip. The whip is quite flexible to absorb lunges of bigger fish, but is mostly used for catching small fish fast.
A pole, on the other hand, is typically used with a rig much shorter than the length one is fishing - and sections are added and removed to put the rig out to the fishing position and bring the fish in when hooked. In ye olden days the line would be attached direct to a flexible top section - in the modern days a section of elastic is used as a shock absorber. Thus the pole can be used to reach great lengths (eg. 16m) even when sitting under overhanging trees. It is also more suitable for large fish - match anglers often land carp upwards of 15 pounds on poles.
so far so simple .... now the complications.
1. modern poles are very thin walled and would not cope with the rigours of casting in the style of a whip
2. generally modern poles are too stiff to use with a flick tip style
3. some anglers now use heavy gauge elastic within a specialist whip as insurance for bigger fish hooked and also where the average size is quite large (eg. 6oz upwards)
4. "system" whips have been around since the 80s - they are part telescopic and part take apart - allowing anglers to follow a shoal out whilst still using a flick tip setup.
5. having said that - on commercial fisheries some big weights have been taken by using just the end couple of sections of a pole with elastic and equal amount of line. This is generally referred to as "top 2" rather than a whip approach.
I guess that is now as clear as mud
Generally a pole is more adaptable to a range of circumstances, whereas a whip is a more specialist tool for catching small fish fast . The whip is simpler and more back to our roots as kids with a piece of cane and string.
anglers and manufacturers use the terms with a bit of abandon, and there is some cross-over.
Historically a whip is a simple pole with a flexible solid top (flick tip). The line is attached directly to that tip and the rig is just shorter than the length of the whip. The whip is quite flexible to absorb lunges of bigger fish, but is mostly used for catching small fish fast.
A pole, on the other hand, is typically used with a rig much shorter than the length one is fishing - and sections are added and removed to put the rig out to the fishing position and bring the fish in when hooked. In ye olden days the line would be attached direct to a flexible top section - in the modern days a section of elastic is used as a shock absorber. Thus the pole can be used to reach great lengths (eg. 16m) even when sitting under overhanging trees. It is also more suitable for large fish - match anglers often land carp upwards of 15 pounds on poles.
so far so simple .... now the complications.
1. modern poles are very thin walled and would not cope with the rigours of casting in the style of a whip
2. generally modern poles are too stiff to use with a flick tip style
3. some anglers now use heavy gauge elastic within a specialist whip as insurance for bigger fish hooked and also where the average size is quite large (eg. 6oz upwards)
4. "system" whips have been around since the 80s - they are part telescopic and part take apart - allowing anglers to follow a shoal out whilst still using a flick tip setup.
5. having said that - on commercial fisheries some big weights have been taken by using just the end couple of sections of a pole with elastic and equal amount of line. This is generally referred to as "top 2" rather than a whip approach.
I guess that is now as clear as mud
Generally a pole is more adaptable to a range of circumstances, whereas a whip is a more specialist tool for catching small fish fast . The whip is simpler and more back to our roots as kids with a piece of cane and string.
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mikench
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Very clear actually. I still don't want one though.