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    Default Re: Hooklength size

    When I first got into match fishing, back in the mists of time, particularly stickfloat and waggler fishing on running water, it was at a time when hi-tech lines were starting to evolve, really quite quickly.
    I was using a reel line of around .125mm (about 2.5lb bs in old money). Frustratingly, I can't remember the make at this time. This line was far smaller in diameter than the usual reel lines that were in common and previous use at the time.
    My set-ups for both stickfloat and wagglers was about the same apart from the shotting. Hooklengths were generally around 9" to 12" in length. The hooklength line I was just starting to use was Damyl Tectan in .07mm and .09mm diameters. Fishing matches on the Thames at Maidenhead, Windsor, Marlow and Henley way, I rarely had to change my set up for float fishing. I never felt the need for longer hooklengths as the reel line and hooks I was using (barbless Mustad spade-ends in sizes 19, 21 and 23) rarely created a problem with presentation. These hooks were virtually weightless.
    I always used to tie my hooklengths water-knot style to create an almost seamless join. Also the shotting patterns that I used then normally ended with a size 12 either directly above the knot (standard starting point!) or varied, depending how the fish were feeding.... or not. If I needed a longer length of line between the final shot and hook, I just moved the shot around. With the low diameter lines in question, it made no difference at all.
    Now, of course, I would barely be able to see a number 12 shot let alone find the split and line it up.
    I also (reluctantly) tie my hooklengths loop-to-loop style these days as it's more convenient and less time consuming for me and my fat-fingers.

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    I prefer loop to look because my hooklink starts from the same place if I need to change it,the idea of your books being virtually weightless is incorrect imo,I used find wife books on the Lea to 24's and found at least 22" hooklengths had to be used so a clean run through could be achieved( presentation),I could have lifted my no.12/13 shot a few inches higher,but my datum was my loop,to be returned to if the shot moves,we all get over our problems in our own way,it's methodology...

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    Well well.

    Thank you for all your replies interesting reading and quite, pleasantly surprised to see that the fishingmagic community don't seem to follow the trends as many genras of fishermen do nowadays, I find

    Jan porter was the first I saw to use exceptionally short hooklinks on the Trent near me, Jan is far better than I, however his style did not work for me.

    I've just joined the club where I can drive behind the river and fish. To be honest I really missing my river fishing because I just don't do it anymore because I'm too old. This is the what brought this topic up in my mind from something from years ago, literally as I fish the river in my head.

    Maybe I'm not as unique as I thought, I've certainly had a go at many of the things has been suggested in this thread in particularly using swivels as a bottom drop a shot. I used to do this a lot in fast water where you had to fish double caster or double maggot or what have you, it did reduce line twist but I only have a did it on fishing for chub in shallow water.

    Thank again for your replies I enjoyed you them all
    Last edited by daniel121; 30-08-2019 at 20:41.
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    Default Re: Hooklength size

    I use longer hook lengths for bomb fishing 18 inches, pole 6 inches, waggler 12 inch to 3 feet, method 4 inch.

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    Bomb fishing - 15”
    Method fishing - 4”
    Waggler fishing - 6”
    Trotting - 12”
    PVA bag fishing with small boilies - 8”
    Barbel legering on river - 24-36”
    Pike wire trace - 12-18”

    Edit: Pole - 6”

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    Last edited by John Keane; 02-09-2019 at 09:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Keane View Post
    Bomb fishing - 15”
    Method fishing - 4”
    Waggler fishing - 6”
    Trotting - 12”
    PVA bag fishing with small boilies - 8”
    Barbel levering on river - 24-36”
    Pike wire trace - 12-18”


    We’re all different.
    Wow that's very regimented.

    Do you have reasons for selecting these lengths? in particular the 6 inch Waggler fishing hooklength and the 12 inch trotting hook link?

    I ask because I call trotting a waggler and trotting stick float the same thing, however when when fishing in this manner abet I don't do it that much anymore, but when I used to do I used too I fished at least 2-3 foot lengths if I thought fish would be up in the water and I've already said.

    I'm certainly not saying I'm right and you're wrong, it personal I get that. I'm just genuinely wondering why you have selected 6 inch for the Wagler and 12 inch for trotting, is there a reason and what you you get from this?
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    I don’t trot Wagglers so the length is for stillwater waggler and the trotting length is for stick floats. No special reason for any of these lengths and they’re only ever going to be approximate as I tie them without using any kind of tape or ruler.

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    Do you have shot at the end of these hooklinks,when wagglering Stillwater I usually have 15-18" hook lengths,more often than not all dragging on,but you also get a better rate of fall fishing on the drop too with this length,that's my findings anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitty View Post
    Do you have shot at the end of these hooklinks,when wagglering Stillwater I usually have 15-18" hook lengths,more often than not all dragging on,but you also get a better rate of fall fishing on the drop too with this length,that's my findings anyway....
    I have shot on all the hooklink when waggler fishing in Stillwater or rivers. the only thing I won't put on a booking is a heavy bulk shot, but I see no issues with no 10s,9s and 8s on the hook link. Not that I use 10s much because of my eyes.
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    To simplify the number of hooks I carry my go to lenght is just 6 inches. I use that on all my running line float set ups. I have longer hook lengths up to 18 inches but I very rarely use them. I may use a longer hook lenght if I feel it may just work better like in low summer flows and gin clear water. But 95%if the time a shorter hook lenght works fine for me.

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