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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    I use eyed hooks,for certain baits,hair rigging etc,never smaller than a 16,usually 14 or bigger,I also normally use a Maver hair rig tyer,which is brilliant,once set at the length required it will stay that setting until you change it,please dont take offence over my comments in previous posts one and all...

    If i tied a hook for someone else I would want them to have total confidence in it,as i do myself,ive landed big fish of all species on spade ends,these days i dont fish finer than 0.10mm and rarely that,I just dont find it necessary and do always want a chance of landing bigger fish that may be hooked,even 0.10mm isn't that strong,whatever knot you use...
    Last edited by whitty; 24-11-2019 at 16:52.

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    I recon the advantages of spades are overstated & outside match circles more people use eyed it seems to me anyway. If they are so much better you have to wonder why everyone does not use them.

    It can't be solely down to the tying aspect.

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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    Because they cant tie them properly maybe,lol,in the present most matches are fished on commercials,its eyed hooks mainly,on more natural venues where maggots and casters are main baits its spades,ive said this before,matchmen dont use tackle because others use it,they use it because its the best for the job,decent ones anyway....

    I dont matchfish these days,but i use what i think is right for the job,that applies for barbel fishing,tench,roach,whatever,i dont use sh1te...
    Last edited by whitty; 24-11-2019 at 20:15.

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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    What an interesting thread and a surprising variety of opinions. Having started match fishing in the late 1950s the most popular hooks used were spade ends in sizes 16 to 26. The main bait being caster or maggot. I have used spade end hooks almost exclusively ever since. I have never had a problem with the design, although some manufacturers products were superior to other, at that time Mustad being the most popular. I could be wildly wrong here but I doubt, even with the advances made in hook specification and design today, the range of spade end hooks available is duplicated in eyed hooks. Certainly I have not found so in the 20 to 24 sizes. With regard to hand tying spade end hooks it is a question of application. I have been hand tying spade end hooks for over 65 years and it has become second nature. I would not entertain using a pre-tied hook. On the rare occasion I use a eyed hook I tie it the same way I tie a spade. The standard advice given when tying spades is that the line must come away in front of the spade. Well do that if you wish but I always have the line coming off the back of the spade. If you doubt my sanity get a tied hook and try setting it in your finger. The line of force setting the hook is directly from the rod to the spade then the hook point. The force setting the hook cocks the hook at an angle and puts the line in direct contact with the top edge of the spade. My way the line comes away from the back of the spade. If you don't believe this try it. Pete.
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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    Quote Originally Posted by markcw View Post
    the reason being is that there is a possibility of the the spade end cutting into the line if a fish takes you through some rushes or weeds.
    One of my points and a pretty important one I think. does anyone think spades lose more fish than eyed? Are they more likely to cut off when a fish is pulling this way and that way than eyed?. Especially when you get down to the very fine lines and I have often thought this is a possibility and not worth the risk for a very slight better presentation if it is at all; but I could be wrong.
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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    I doubt anyone could prove the cut-off theory when it comes to spade end hooks. However, in all the years I've used them, I don't recall ever having a breakage that I would attribute specifically to it being a spade end hook being used. Even when pulling for a break, I've had hooks bend and hooklinks break. However, the breaks are rarely close enough to the hook to even consider it having been cut off by the spade. If I genuinely thought that I was losing fish simply because of spade end hooks, I'd have binned them years ago. However, I'm still using them, and probably always will.

    In my opinion and experience, a properly made spade end hook, that's well tied, is no more problematic than the seam of an eyed hook. If a cut off is a genuine possibility (spade or eye) then you've bought poor hooks or decent hooks with poor quality control allowing the odd rogue to creep in. Spades causing cut-offs is an irrational excuse for not using them. It's based on myth rather than reality.
    Last edited by sam vimes; 25-11-2019 at 13:50.

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    I can't remember ever having a spade cause a cut-off. But I've certainly had line break when the knot has pulled into a badly-closed eye, and I've had knotless knots fail at the hook, too; why they occasionally fail is debated, but fail they sometimes do.

    Before the commercials and the popularity of banding, spiking etc hard baits, eyed hooks were very much in the minority, specimen fishing aside, on the shelves of any tackle shop I visited, and I'd have been surprised to find a match angler - match angling being a good barometer of tackle efficiency - using eyed hooks to catch roach, dace, chub, bream etc.

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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    I use to tie all my small hooks now I find it much easier to buy ready tied and have never had a problem. Can't remember ever losing a fish due to using ready tied hooks.

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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve2 View Post
    I use to tie all my small hooks now I find it much easier to buy ready tied and have never had a problem. Can't remember ever losing a fish due to using ready tied hooks.
    I keep some pre tied in my jacket just in case I lose ever lose my spools of home tied on the bank. I think most who tie their own do so because you can't always buy the right hook to the right breaking strain which is also the right length. Tying your own means you can tailor lots of options.

    What I noticed when buying pre tied again is that the hooklengths seem much shorter than they used to be as a kid though

    I still find it amazing that spades don't cut through line but they don't seem to. Although on heavier lines on sea fish I've seen some abrasion there to make eyed a more viable option
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    Default Re: Tying spade end hooks and hooklengths,or the inability to.

    Has anyone tried the hook in a loop method of fishing, ?
    As for joining hooklengths to mainline ,the two popular methods seem to be 4 turn water knot, great presentation but a nuisance to replace due to having to plumb up again, the other being loop to loop, easier to replace, a friend I fish with uses large loops on both mainline and hook length he reckons he gets a better presentation as the baited hook falls through the water, I have never tried it,preferring to keep loops as small as possible .

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