Aknib. Can't fault your theory Steve. In practice it is somewhat different. When my son in law, Chris comes down to see me I take him to Todber Manor Fishery, because he's in to commercials. Last time we went I fished a 10 ft Maver bagging waggler rod that also has a feeder tip top section. Used method feeder with 6lb main line and 4lb hook length and bagged 94 carp to 10lb, but most in the 4 to 6lb range. Never lost a fish or got broke up. Did get bored to death after two hours though, just stuck it out for Chris's sake. That's the sacrifices you make to please family. Pete