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    Default Flies for coarse fish?

    I have been meaning to take up fly fishing for coarse fish for some time. had a £10 off offer from Ebay so I bought a fly rod from China for £16.99 with free postage so it cost me £6.99. Well, it looked good in the picture. I already have a rim-fly reel loaded with line which I picked up for a fiver. So far so good depending on the rod when it turns up. The thing that bothered me is its a 4 piece and it is only 9ft. Anyway, I am not looking to become a expert, just do some in the summer alongside my usual fishing.
    What I would like is some advice on type of flies (dry or wet) for roach, rudd, chub, tench, carp etc if anyone can help and mullet as they will be a definite target.
    And would it be best wet fly fishing and any advice how this is done; I have the basic casting skill having done it before but not sure the best way to wet fly fish for coarse fish. I will be mainly fishing very slow moving rivers and/or a canal-- Any help would be appreciated but particularly the type of flies to buy.....cheers.
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    We used to catch mullet by accident sometimes in Christchurch Harbour when fly fishing for sea trout, so it is possible to catch them like this.
    Mike Ladle seems to be an expert at this however. If you Google Mike Ladle's Diary and go back through the entries you find loads of info and photos about fly fishing for mullet with "maggot flies". At certain times you get loads of weed washed up on the high tide line. It gets infested by flies and the maggots come pouring out and washed back into the sea on a high tide. The mullet love them!

    Even if you don't get round to fishing like this, it's interesting reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markg View Post
    ....What I would like is some advice on type of flies (dry or wet) for roach, rudd, chub, tench, carp etc if anyone can help and mullet as they will be a definite target.....
    Hi Mark,
    I've had some success using dry flies on the local commercial in the evenings - mainly for carp, but picking-up roach, rudd, skimmers and even ide on occassions - the most successful fly being 'Hopper' patterns (10-18) - fished just in the surface film. If there's fish nosing round it but not taking - try a 1 foot 'draw' - which will often provoke a savage take - make sure there's no loose line tangling around you or your peg!
    Other patterns known to catch are: Buzzers - with/without a CDC plume/hackle, Black Gnat (18-22), Gold-ribbed Hares Ear, Pheasant Tail Nymph, and Damsel Nymph (10-14).

    On rivers I used to target Chub mainly with the good old-fashioned Wickams Fancy - this 'bushy' fly if well 'Ginked-up' is easy to keep your eye on even if fished on broken water. Similarly the Hoppers will work for dace and grayling, as will Hawthorn flies - particularly if they are hatching.

    I daresay that there will be fellow fluff-chuckers out there who will sneer at the choice of flies, but - they've worked for me!

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    No sneering here. Great choice.

    Wll add two.

    Daddy long legs (daddies) great for all especially chub. Likewise Mayfly.

    And for carp and rudd an Appetizer fly. (White - flash of orange/green) fishing on the drop and slow retrieve.

    And regarding the rod a 4 piece is fine and I prefer my 29.99 Leeda xl 7 weight over the Orvis £145!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Elliott 1 View Post
    ...Daddy long legs (daddies) great for all especially chub....
    Nice one Graham,
    Knew I'd forgotten something - Daddies! Again - they work well on the still-waters as well - even when half-sunk!

    Ooo - ooh - oooh! The other 'must have' is a Sedge pattern - works well in the evening when there's a bit of wind on the water to make it 'skate' around!
    I wonder if this is what the Wickams is an imitation of ?

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    Fishing dries in summer for Coarse fish, anything brown and fluffy tends to work. Size of hook/fly depends on what you are trying for. !
    The wet version of most fly's mentioned above, fish down and across as team of two or three and feel for the take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenie62 View Post
    The other 'must have' is a Sedge pattern - works well in the evening when there's a bit of wind on the water to make it 'skate' around!
    I wonder if this is what the Wickams is an imitation of ?
    I found this little bit of history on the Wickhams Fancy ( see link below)

    Wickhams Fancy Caddis Sedge Wet Fly Trout Pattern

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Elliott 1 View Post
    No sneering here. Great choice.

    Wll add two.

    Daddy long legs (daddies) great for all especially chub. Likewise Mayfly.

    And for carp and rudd an Appetizer fly. (White - flash of orange/green) fishing on the drop and slow retrieve.

    And regarding the rod a 4 piece is fine and I prefer my 29.99 Leeda xl 7 weight over the Orvis £145!
    I used to find that daddies were also great for dace when they were 'in season'. The dace used to become so preoccupied on them that it was a waste of time using anything else...........
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    Might be worth trawling a boot sale or two - I've picked up a couple of loaded fly cases for coppers. I've decided to use them this year, given the right opportunity, but with a controller and Avon rod, rather than a fly outfit. One of my competition wins was a nifty Turrall fly box and 50 flies, so it'd be a travesty if they just sat there looking pretty.
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    I wasn't sure whether to post this on the general fishing thread, thought it might get overlooked so thanks for the replies. I have made a list of the flies suggested, I have got a tackle shop nearby that has a good stock so I should be able to get them. Its nice to have a bit of a start instead of buying blind. Its not a matter of best choice Greenie, the fact that these have worked helps me as a start up.

    One venue is a canal about 3/4ft deep and about 30ft wide covered in weed, some very good Rudd in it. I have not seen any fish rise to flies here so I expect it will be something fished in the first 6 inches but I am not sure of what fly to try.
    There are also Tench; I tried to catch a tench here conventional method last year and failed. Met a bloke last year who said he had plenty but they were all on the far bank by the reed beds. I know tench are not a fly fish but I wondered if anyone has caught tench on fly and what would be best fly. Again it would have to be something fished just under the surface or am I being to ambitious! Some Carp in here as well.

    The river is deep in the middle but it has a weed bed in the margins which I am thinking of fishing just the other side of in about 6ft of water. Its very slow moving in the summer, Tench, Roach, a very few Carp, Chub and Mullet but no Rudd. I am thinking of something fished deep at about the 6ft but what or how I am not sure off yet. The Mullet can be anywhere but often swimming around near the surface all over the river in groups.

    I will get the rod in about 2 weeks apparently. Its carbon and looked good enough for my purposes but I only noticed it was a 4 piece after I had bought it. I am used to seeing them as 2 piece but Graham says its OK so thats good. At least it will pack away nicely in the bag. It has only cost £7, cheap but if I really get into it I can always upgrade.
    Quite looking forward to it, thanks for the help all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertroach View Post
    We used to catch mullet by accident sometimes in Christchurch Harbour when fly fishing for sea trout, so it is possible to catch them like this.
    Mike Ladle seems to be an expert at this however. If you Google Mike Ladle's Diary and go back through the entries you find loads of info and photos about fly fishing for mullet with "maggot flies". At certain times you get loads of weed washed up on the high tide line. It gets infested by flies and the maggots come pouring out and washed back into the sea on a high tide. The mullet love them!

    Even if you don't get round to fishing like this, it's interesting reading.
    I live on the coast Rob and I see this in hot weather on the beach, the problem is its a wide open beach and spotting where or if the Mullet are close in feeding on them would be a bit hit and miss whereas in Christchurch harbor they are confined and easier to spot.
    But this has got me thinking, a maggot on the fly, is this cheating, I have heard of this and it makes the fly more attractive I hear and probably frowned upon among the trout purists but coarse fish? And would an artificial maggot be a good idea? Not keen on it, rather catch a fish on fly only, more satisfying but if pushed for bites, would it be acceptable?

    ---------- Post added at 08:43 ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 ----------

    I did fish these out of my pile of fishing junk Robrake which I bought some months ago from a junk shop, I think I only paid about 3 quid (bit of an unhealthy obsession, I canoot help it). However I have no idea what they are or if they will suit coarse species. If anyone has any ideas (the pics might not be clear enough) are they wet or dry flies?---






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