This is not an opinion blanker, and a moderator spotted that too!
The anonymous one is almost certainly, judging by his wording, one of those who regularly appear on here to hit and run.
Barbel Fishing – The Pope’s River Diary: January
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This is not an opinion blanker, and a moderator spotted that too!
The anonymous one is almost certainly, judging by his wording, one of those who regularly appear on here to hit and run.
richiekelly
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If its not an opinion then it must be fact for fact is an opinion that has been proven isnt it? on the point of being anonymous perhaps all forum members should use their own names, mine is Graham Young.
If it's an opinion surely it warrants an explanation, otherwise you could come on here with an opinion that one of the posters is a thief.
You wouldn't get away with that would you Graham?
Anyway, I've no argument with you when it comes to opinion, I just think you assess opinions on facts placed before you, not heresay, rumour, or that Bill's mates mate, said so..
We shall see if the anonymous one justifies his "opinion"
You wouldn't get away with that would you Graham?
Anyway, I've no argument with you when it comes to opinion, I just think you assess opinions on facts placed before you, not heresay, rumour, or that Bill's mates mate, said so..
We shall see if the anonymous one justifies his "opinion"
Hi Fred,
I'm not sure which,if any, of my comments has been modded,there doesn't seem to be anything missing?
Not sure which bit you would like me to "justify" other than perhaps in my opinion it is wrong to use a position of power to generate personal reward i.e. commercial activities such as guiding for reward or product placement .
In general I am very unhappy with the current trend to make every article in some way commercial for the sponsors rather than either educational or entertaining.
Clearly it is difficult for both of you to seperate which statements are personal and which are official so perhaps you could clarify which hat you are wearing at the moment in seeking to stifle any meaningful discussion by making it personal.
I'm not sure which,if any, of my comments has been modded,there doesn't seem to be anything missing?
Not sure which bit you would like me to "justify" other than perhaps in my opinion it is wrong to use a position of power to generate personal reward i.e. commercial activities such as guiding for reward or product placement .
In general I am very unhappy with the current trend to make every article in some way commercial for the sponsors rather than either educational or entertaining.
Clearly it is difficult for both of you to seperate which statements are personal and which are official so perhaps you could clarify which hat you are wearing at the moment in seeking to stifle any meaningful discussion by making it personal.
There was no mention of moderation in my post, merely that a moderator had spotted your intentions.
What I want, is your justification for attacking the Barbel Society, based on an article containing nothing related to it .
Persuade us/me that you know anything about the current Barbel Society, and that you don't have an old nagging sore that is creating your "opinion"
So the hat I'm wearing is the BS's.
Nothing I have written is an attempt to stifle,you haven't written anything to stifle, so why should it be ?
But, and this is the personal bit, if I was a business I would say it's an attempt to damage my business.
What I want, is your justification for attacking the Barbel Society, based on an article containing nothing related to it .
Persuade us/me that you know anything about the current Barbel Society, and that you don't have an old nagging sore that is creating your "opinion"
So the hat I'm wearing is the BS's.
Nothing I have written is an attempt to stifle,you haven't written anything to stifle, so why should it be ?
But, and this is the personal bit, if I was a business I would say it's an attempt to damage my business.
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Well,you could start but justifying """""" I think the list of requirements speaks volumes about what is so intrinsically wrong with the commercialisation of the Barbel Society and why so many real people no longer want anything to do with its leadership who judge anglers by their commercial success and how they have sold themselves to a gullible public.""""""
Personally speaking......there is only one member on the committee with any commercial links ..... so what??
Speaking as a member of the BS and being on the committee...is the BS run as a commercial entity in that it must break even......too right it is.
To suggest that BS members are simply gullible public is an insult to all of us.
Rich.
Hi Fred,
Sorry I can see Peters post but didn't read that as a criticism of my response as surely the whole point in the thread being started by the person responsible was to start a discussion on the article which is exactly what I did but perhaps you are right and it was and they didn't really want a genuine discussion but rather a back slapping exercise ?
I gave my opinion on how I feel about "celebrity" anglers who may use their positions for commercial gain by say plonking them in a banker swim,filling it in with casters and hemp and charging somebody who could have done it themselves with a just little bit of research and a helping hand £200 for the privilege as an example or by taking money and expenses for promoting a particular bait/rod/reel/braid/line at every opportunity even if they don't actually use it themselves in reality.
I've never charged anybody for any help or advice given and after 37 years at it don't intend to start now as to be honest that's where I get my enjoyment now watching others, especially kids,have the catch of a lifetime .
So you see we are just diametrically opposed in why we do it,not personal just different.
Sorry I can see Peters post but didn't read that as a criticism of my response as surely the whole point in the thread being started by the person responsible was to start a discussion on the article which is exactly what I did but perhaps you are right and it was and they didn't really want a genuine discussion but rather a back slapping exercise ?
I gave my opinion on how I feel about "celebrity" anglers who may use their positions for commercial gain by say plonking them in a banker swim,filling it in with casters and hemp and charging somebody who could have done it themselves with a just little bit of research and a helping hand £200 for the privilege as an example or by taking money and expenses for promoting a particular bait/rod/reel/braid/line at every opportunity even if they don't actually use it themselves in reality.
I've never charged anybody for any help or advice given and after 37 years at it don't intend to start now as to be honest that's where I get my enjoyment now watching others, especially kids,have the catch of a lifetime .
So you see we are just diametrically opposed in why we do it,not personal just different.
So, it has nothing whatsover to do with the Barbel Society then as intimated in your first post!
Er,no.
"Last year I wrote an article that saw the light of day in the Barbel Fisher magazine and is up in the articles section of my website, the title was ‘Legends’ and it detailed my views on those who have attained that status in the barbel world."
So basically this FM article is just a rehash of the original BS's Barbel Fisher article and therefore this statement intrinsically links the two,on his website there are numerous references to the BS and his position which to me is using his high office in one sphere to influence potential customers to a personal commercial endeavour,if there was no linkage I would agree with you but unfortunately there is so I don't but can understand why you might want to overlook this.
Hope that clears up how I feel and why the two are interlinked.
"Last year I wrote an article that saw the light of day in the Barbel Fisher magazine and is up in the articles section of my website, the title was ‘Legends’ and it detailed my views on those who have attained that status in the barbel world."
So basically this FM article is just a rehash of the original BS's Barbel Fisher article and therefore this statement intrinsically links the two,on his website there are numerous references to the BS and his position which to me is using his high office in one sphere to influence potential customers to a personal commercial endeavour,if there was no linkage I would agree with you but unfortunately there is so I don't but can understand why you might want to overlook this.
Hope that clears up how I feel and why the two are interlinked.
No it wasn't a rehash, it's a different approach.
I repeat, this is nothing to do with the Society, it's just a personal grudge against an individual, with perhaps a hint of jealousy creeping in..
You certainly give no credit to the individual who makes a personal choice, and I have to say, as much as I don't like to, I know for a fact, that many of the so called "gullible" have no knowledge of the Barbel Society !
I repeat, this is nothing to do with the Society, it's just a personal grudge against an individual, with perhaps a hint of jealousy creeping in..
You certainly give no credit to the individual who makes a personal choice, and I have to say, as much as I don't like to, I know for a fact, that many of the so called "gullible" have no knowledge of the Barbel Society !
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Fred,
It's a rehash,but instead of the real men of angling such as Fred J,**** W,Stoney and others such as Fred Buller who inspired me as a teenager in the late 60's and early 70's catching 1 or 2 barbel a day on The Royalty and Throop,they have for some reason been replaced on the FM article by some of the more modern acolytes who are, just in my opinion you understand, seemingly more interested in the commercial aspects and self gratification rather than a genuine love of the art and inspiring beginners as my childhood hero's conveyed.
Fred,
It's a rehash,but instead of the real men of angling such as Fred J,**** W,Stoney and others such as Fred Buller who inspired me as a teenager in the late 60's and early 70's catching 1 or 2 barbel a day on The Royalty and Throop,they have for some reason been replaced on the FM article by some of the more modern acolytes who are, just in my opinion you understand, seemingly more interested in the commercial aspects and self gratification rather than a genuine love of the art and inspiring beginners as my childhood hero's conveyed.
cg74
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Jeez, that's some list of qualifying criteria; if it'd been all/most of the above then maybe anyone making the 'grade' would have some credence in a claim to being 'known' but I as never saw a mention of an exact (entry) level from the list, I can only assume there isn't actually a means to quantify elevation from a nobody to a 'somebody'??!!
On that basis the qualifying criteria is a joke; as half the experienced barbel anglers I know would qualify...
Fred and Rich, if only you knew the harm the pair of you do to the credibility of the BS with your outpourings, a polite word; if Steve's position needs defending, he's more capable than the pair of you combined and they do have the internet (even broadband) in Oz, so stop looking like a pair of desperate to please lap dogs and leave Steve to answer his own critics himself.
He comes over as a fairly intelligent guy, so I'm sure he would've foreseen this response to his diary entry, to be fair, he even hinted at it.
Colin, I suggest you read it all again, we weren't defending Steve, we were ensuring facts about the Barbel Society and it's membership are truthful.
Steve is well capable of looking after himself as we all know.
As for damaging the BS, that's the usual claim of those who don't know the facts about the Society and it's membership, and don't like being told they are wrong.
The term lap dogs is also a phrase coined from the desperate looking to belittle individuals and quite honestly calling people names has no affect, and you of all people should know that by now..
Steve is well capable of looking after himself as we all know.
As for damaging the BS, that's the usual claim of those who don't know the facts about the Society and it's membership, and don't like being told they are wrong.
The term lap dogs is also a phrase coined from the desperate looking to belittle individuals and quite honestly calling people names has no affect, and you of all people should know that by now..
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cg74
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Woof, woof...
There's a good dog Colin....sit!
cg74
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Fred, I'd have thought you might of realised by now; I obey no one, just do my own thing..... Bow wow wowww (you understand now?)
It's about time you and all the others knew the same about me then, so be a good boy and go lie down!
cg74
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You're not listening Fred, bad boy, now get and lie down like a good boy, see Rich can do it (so far), so you try,,,,,, promise I'll give you an extra Bonio biscuit, if you behave.
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You know I have to have the last word Colin, especially when I'm right !
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Well well well......what an interesting day watching the squabbling masses, I am not surprised, Angling, but nay thrice nay, Barbel fishing has been the loser with this debate. I thought Steve's original comments were about so called celebrity anglers (I prefer to call them tackle tarts who sell them selves to the highest bidder) and what Steve believes constitutes the making of a celebrity angler, it is clear (read my post) I have no time for them, just as I have no time for the so called Celebs in big brother, or some Hello type mag. We will never all agree on something and Steve with the position he has as BS chairman will never please all the people all of the time, it goes with the territory, but he is ultimately a good man, a political animal yes, but I do wish we could be congenial about these things and constructive, but like all forms of institutionalised Angling you will always have someone, somewhere saying (best brummie accent here) yo doe wanna do it like that, yo wanna do it like this......the focus should be on the celeb culture that we are cursed with at the moment and save your venom for the creators of it, the papers and the mags we all buy each week and each month.