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    What a fishing trip....

    Anglers can start by becoming a little more user-and public-friendly, by ceasing to be angry and outraged by the least media-created "threat" to their own little concerns and interests and much more connected with the rest of humanity and the real world, become a lot less Us and Them confrontational (not to mention sad-old-git paranoid). Get rid of the deadwood spokesmen, too - send them into retirement somewhere and never allow them to do more damage to Angling's cause in five minutes on the telly than any number of fantasy Antis could ever do.

    Connect and engage positively with the public and wildlife organizations far more sussed and savvy than we are, not forever niggle and carp and build trenches to fight a war that will only end in our slaughter. Forget the "glorious" past; live in the present and build a better future.

    So, off you go.

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    This is an article which is absolutely spot on. If Angling does not get organised and develop a voice that counts it is doomed to a long slow death. I run a small syndicate and its easy to see that we get very very few young anglers interetsed and those that do get interested dont stick with it. The allure of an urbanised lifestyle and the internet seems to win every time. As a result of the previous article, i signed my syndicate up for group membership of the AT so there is one success that can be attributed to these writings! What are you waiting for, get signed up and look to a bright future not a dwindling one!

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    I think you are failing to differentiate properly between “defeatism” and “reality” to be perfectly honest.

    The “reality” is that when we (I’m of a similar age to you) were young we only had the choice between, Saturday morning Football or Cricket or a day on the river, or maybe even a day on a lake somewhere.

    The local angling club would run monthly coach trips to famous venues if we were really lucky, but money being so scarce would mean that we only got to go on possibly 2 or 3 of those trips a year, but then there were hundreds in the local club so the coaches were always full.

    Today, the youth of this Country are, for starters, far more culturally diverse; many hailing from Countries or cultures where “fishing” is only done for the pot when there was little else left to eat and to whom the idea of fishing for pure sport or fun is totally alien to them.

    Moreover, today’s youngsters have amazing alternative possibilities to fill their time, and money is far more readily available, (generally) for parents to be able to encourage their children to participate more widely.

    Think back, when we were “that age” we would have had the chance to go on a school trip to the Isle of Wight, or maybe to Cornwall; two years ago my daughter went on the school trip to Whistler, Canada for a 10 days school skiing trip.
    Back in our day that would have been totally unheard of; times change.

    Take a good look at the current Drennan Team England squad and you will see that they range from, what, early 40’s to Stevie Gardner at 61 years of age. My local club, and my syndicate, has an average age of well over 40 and with what was once a thriving junior section is now little more than a handful of youngsters who, mostly, leave by the time they reach 14 years of age.

    The truth of the matter is that Angling simply does not appeal to the youth of today, they would far rather sit in their electronic wonderland bedrooms (if parents allow it) and play on their X-Boxes, I-pads and I-phones while watching their 40 inch flat screen TV’s and “tweeting” or engaging in mindless interaction with Facebook.

    Such is the “reality” of today’s youth culture ably encouraged by some parents!

    I too can easily foresee a time, in the not too distant future, when fishing on a river becomes just a distant memory for many and for others they will be confined to reading about river adventures on their tablets rather than going out and experiencing it for themselves.

    As for a “Million Voices for Angling” well, that would probably mean for everyone who buys an annual license to come together with one accord, and that is about as likely as Yeovil town FC winning the EUFA Champions League, not a defeatist attitude but simple logical reality.

    As far as the Angling Trust is concerned then you have to accept that, given the huge diversity of opinions over key issues such as Otter and Cormorant predation, EE anglers taking fish and not to even mention paddlers, then I honestly fail to see how they can bring together such diversity under one “church”
    To be perfectly honest I personally doubt that I’ll be renewing my membership for the coming year following Mr. Salter’s ill-informed “wading in” on the issue of Hydraulic Fracturing.

    Notwithstanding, there are some things in today’s modern life that we can turn around but there are many others that simply will not change regardless of how we might strive to achieve it, and altering the youth culture of today is just one of those things.

    I believe it was Salman Rushdie (in his book Shame) who said “Realism can break a writer’s heart”

    Maybe he was right . . . . . . . .
    Last edited by Peter Jacobs; 04-10-2013 at 10:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdrozdow View Post
    This is an article which is absolutely spot on. If Angling does not get organised and develop a voice that counts it is doomed to a long slow death. I run a small syndicate and its easy to see that we get very very few young anglers interetsed and those that do get interested dont stick with it. The allure of an urbanised lifestyle and the internet seems to win every time. As a result of the previous article, i signed my syndicate up for group membership of the AT so there is one success that can be attributed to these writings! What are you waiting for, get signed up and look to a bright future not a dwindling one!
    Spot on. I hope Rod reads that to encourage him to write more. I suggest you also have a read of his previous articles; all very good stuff in the same vein.
    So many cormorants.... so few recipes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Jacobs View Post
    I believe it was Salman Rushdie (in his book Shame) who said “Realism can break a writer’s heart”

    Maybe he was right . . . . . . . .

    And long before and far greater than Rushdie....


    “Humankind cannot bear very much reality.” - T.S. Eliot, Four Quartets

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    Peters post is one if the most rational I have seen on FM.

    Just interupted by a nice barbel on kennet....11.13.


    No one has to like what he says.. but its true.
    G
    Last edited by Graham Elliott 1; 04-10-2013 at 10:41.

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    I share some of Rod's fears about the future, but from what I've seen angling is not exactly going to hell in a handcart. There are one heck of a lot of clubs and individuals doing good things for the sport. As you rightly say, headlines are usually made by big sensational news, not those small acts of good will which are vital yet often invisible.
    I would perhaps also look at the shift in our fishing practices. There is a lot to be said for traditional angling clubs, where members are part of a community and feel an ownership and responsibility for their waters. Commercials have given fishing a big economic shot in the arm, but what have the effects been on grass roots fishing?
    From my own experience, I worry that we are so obsessed with young people's rights and safety, anglers are unwilling or even afraid to get involved. Yet the answer is so simple- just give something back. If every angler spent just a single day getting a child fishing for the first time this season, what a huge difference that would make.

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    WHAT AN INSIGHTFUL PIECE,
    PETER JACOBS HAS HIT THE NAILON THE HEAD I CANT THINK OF A SINGLE
    MEMBER IN ONE OF THE CLUBS THAT I BELONG TO THAT HAS A MEMBER UNDER 40 AND IN THE VILLAGE WHERE I LIVE OUT OF ALL THE YOUNGSTERS
    I CAN THINK OF ONLY ONE BOY WHO GOES FISHING WITH HIS FATHER.
    HUNTERS MOON.


    at the end of your fishing trip leave only footprints.

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    Another sensible post from Dominic.

    In many respects commercials are fishings x boxes.

    And I also agree that actions by individuals can really have a significant effect in improving the future.
    I remain wary of big organisations . Look at what the RSPCA has become.

    Graham

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