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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    I agree that the RSPCA do a lot of good work but like many charities they are greedy! I have dealt with them pursuant to the administration of estates left in whole or in part to them! They have defended actions brought against them and instigated actions often unsuccessfully! In some they have acted unreasonably in my book and wasted significant funds on litigation which should have been spent on animal protection!

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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    Notwithstanding the size of the issue we had better agree to disagree on its suitability here on FM.

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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    The RSPCA does excellent work but I cannot come to terms with their silence on the barbaric Islamic practice of conscious-animal slaughter. I hope readers have strong stomachs......

    I am not a big fan of RSPCA these days, but feel this post is something of a straw man regards the original point.

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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    I am not sure what point Cliff is trying to make, no explanation; but putting thousand years old religious practices aside; I understand the RSPCA has received some critisisims over the last few years, some of its politcal and financial and I am sure the press love all this.
    However, I would urge anyone to visit a RSPCA center if you have one near you. Lovely people who will show you around and explain what they do, its not all fluff, some very ground-breaking scientific stuff goes on and it is very educational. Seeing the work done by voluteers and vets at the ground level of the organation is more important than the head line stuff. And you will enjoy it and your children I am sure plus it will give you a more balanced view of the organization.
    And they don't blame anglers for all the animal harm done by litter which they list under 8 categories, angling being just one of them where they urge responsible angling, nothing more nothing less; not banning it and they work in conjunction with the enviroment agency.
    Which is really the point I am making, the Guardian article is propaganda for the Guardian anti-angling brigade more than anything else it seems to me which is probably their agenda. And like all propaganda and news papers agendas, it reported in a way they want the public to think about anglers.

    And just an extra thought for Mike, the one near me was experimenting in providing supervised accomodation and education for troubled kids, they were having a lot of success with this but it is very expensive and funds were drying up and the whole place including the center itself was under threat of closure through lack of funds. I am not excusing them because I dont know what the situation was but funds are often difficult for these kind of organizations.
    Last edited by markg; 09-02-2019 at 09:59.

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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Jacobs View Post
    Notwithstanding the size of the issue we had better agree to disagree on its suitability here on FM.
    Yes, Peter, it's not something I want to examine too closely but it must be said...if ever there was a reason for the RSPCA to be creating merry-hell - this is IT. In a saner era, the revelation - possibly by a major Sunday broadsheet or a Dispatches / Panorama - type TV programme - that British slaughter-house workers were slitting the throats of conscious mammals and allowing them to bleed to death, would have seen nationwide condemnation and urgent debate at government level. Without question, the RSPCA would have been right there in the thick of it, producing graphic literature and television advertisements to foment outrage within the compassionate British public. WITHIN MONTHS, THE PRACTICE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTLAWED. You and I know this, Peter and so does every other decent person but, for some reason, the world's premier animal-protection organization and the governments of Europe see fit to turn a blind eye. Hopefully we'll see this problem eradicated one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    The RSPCA does excellent work but I cannot come to terms with their silence on the barbaric Islamic practice of conscious-animal slaughter. I hope readers have strong stomachs......
    islamic and Kosher

    This link also sheds light on the RSPCA campaign regarding Halal and Kosher meat Humane Slaughter & Stunned Meat | Halal Slaughter | RSPCA
    Interestingly animals can be stunned before slaughter and still remain Halal , the RSPCA estimates 65 % of Halal meat in this country is pre-stunned ( not enough by any means ) but I think Kosher meat cannot be pre-stunned

    From the RSPCA web site ( which may or may not be true )


    All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned, however, between two thirds and three quarters of meat labelled Halal is from animals that have been pre-stunned.

    Not sure this is a topic suitable for a fishing forum but if the editor raised it then it must be so.
    Personally some of the places I eat only serve Halal chicken , if they chose to label it as pre-stunned or not we would have more of a choice.

    Back to the topic in an earlier thread Fishing Room 101 everyone expressed an aversion to litter but there must be some anglers who leave it ( I dont ) but I have seen some pretty bad behaviour on public pools.
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    Most anglers I know don't leave litter and will pick up and bin/take away what they find. But we have to admit there are some people who go fishing who are not just litterers - they are wide-spectrum d***heads who will ignore any rules, written or unwritten. One of the places I enjoy fishing runs a refreshingly liberal regime in these days of the 20 point rules notice board: they ask you do to do two things 1) dip your nets 2) use barbless hooks. The bailiff tells me he regularly finds people who drive past the big notice and the dip bins, then rig up with barbed hooks. And they're not from the far side of the continent, either. I'd like to think the owners would ban individuals who won't cooperate before they'd impose more restrictions on a cooperative majority, but you never know.

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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    Yes, Peter, it's not something I want to examine too closely but it must be said...if ever there was a reason for the RSPCA to be creating merry-hell - this is IT. In a saner era, the revelation - possibly by a major Sunday broadsheet or a Dispatches / Panorama - type TV programme - that British slaughter-house workers were slitting the throats of conscious mammals and allowing them to bleed to death, would have seen nationwide condemnation and urgent debate at government level. Without question, the RSPCA would have been right there in the thick of it, producing graphic literature and television advertisements to foment outrage within the compassionate British public. WITHIN MONTHS, THE PRACTICE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTLAWED. You and I know this, Peter and so does every other decent person but, for some reason, the world's premier animal-protection organization and the governments of Europe see fit to turn a blind eye. Hopefully we'll see this problem eradicated one day.
    I think its too big for a UK charity organization to take on, Government and religious leader level I would have thought to get the law changed. However, from Benny's link the RSPCA state:-
    "Together with British Veterinary Association (BVA) we're calling on the UK Government to end non-stun slaughter. No exceptions."

    I dont see what your problem is Cliff? The RSPCA are not culpable in this.
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    Default Re: Angling Trust urges RSPCA to stop blaming anglers for plastic problems

    In my opinion, the subject of acceptable animal slaughter methods and RSPCA involvement is a separate thread suitable only for the "Bait Box", no problem there.
    But what connection it has to anglers leaving litter, I fail to see.

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