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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Gaymire: Are the Monsters Still There?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    I have contacted Robin Monday for his comments: with any luck he'll man-up and come clean.
    Cliff.............You're 'pissing into the wind' I'm afraid. It would be nice but it's not going to happen, too much to lose.
    I'm sure that he has been told to remain silent.
    If only we had a couple of Martins photos, NO Mountains, NO Power Stations, it would show the World that the Carp Society made an almighty cock up when they discredited Martins captures.
    Would need to buy plenty of eggs.

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    Default Re: Gaymire: Are the Monsters Still There?

    [QUOTE=Ray Roberts;1502728]What he said, it’s only fishing ffs.


    Had you tried being as philosophical with the Carp Society back then, you'd have been told how vitally important it was to retain accurate records of the UK's most notable carp; this was, after all, their raison detre. Martin had no desire to be on any official list but he did expect to be believed - that's all. What he didn't expect was insults and a malicious fairy story.

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiebenham View Post
    Hi Phillip....................The photos no longer exist and if they did then the sign would not reveal anything.
    I saw a lot of the untouched photos (maybe all of them) and the one that showed the sign was with Martin crouching in the foreground with the huge English Common. Behind him at the top of the bank was the fence with the sign on it.
    The sign appeared to be on the other side of the fence and facing the water so anything on the sign would be readable when on the other side facing the water. At a guess I would say it probably only said 'Danger - Deep Water'. One thing I can assure you is that there were NO Mountains and NO Power Stations in any of the many untouched photos I saw. You can ask any one of the dozen or so who saw the photos and they will tell you that it looked just like an English Lake.
    Anyone that is except Robin Monday................Strange that don't you think ?
    Hi Eddie,

    If there was nothing that would give away the location Martin would not need to have cropped the photos would he.

    How do you know the photos don't exist & more importantly Is Yvonne aware this is being resurrected -again- ? .

    ..Cliff skipped over that point I note.

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    Being an addicted carp angler when this catch was announced via the angling press, I remember well the mixed feelings I had at the time. And still do. On one hand the remarkably simple but equally awesome achievement of landing that immaculate common, then, the sense of being cheated should the fish have been caught over the pond.
    Indeed, nothing has changed for me. A guy who looks like he had a game of tennis an hour before he went fishing, pictured with a colossal common with no background or scene. The ‘evidence’ still suggests something is not right.
    It was too long ago now for it to really matter to anyone and I can guarantee that no Carp Society member will be admitting to any conjecture either. Why should they when there is no evidence?
    Why doesn’t the place get named? It’s very unlikely that those carp Martin caught (should they be ‘English’), be alive today.
    Last edited by Julian Peacock; 16-09-2019 at 19:38.

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    Default Re: Gaymire: Are the Monsters Still There?

    Julian: you need to be aware of what's gone on and what's been revealed. The 'tennis gear' would look a bit odd wherever he was, wouldn't it? But it did a good job of disguising his identity as a fisherman!
    The water IS named. It's 'Gaymire'. Do have a good read here on FM and you'll find reams of evidence that Gay's huge haul of big carp was not caught abroad.
    Last edited by Cliff Hatton; 16-09-2019 at 20:42.

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    Default Re: Gaymire: Are the Monsters Still There?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    The water IS named. It's 'Gaymire'.
    Oh dear.....that’s like me finding a secret water, catching a 50lb pike then claiming it was caught from Peacocks Pit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip View Post
    If there was nothing that would give away the location Martin would not need to have cropped the photos would he.
    Hi Phillip.......................What I actually said was that if the photos still existed then the sign would not reveal anything. The untouched photos would have. Martin felt that by revealing all that was shown in the photos would result in someone identifying the place and that's why he chose to blank out the background.
    According to Selman there were Mountains in the background later he changed that to a Power Station as it wasn't B.C after all but Ontario.
    Having seen the photos myself I feel sure that I would have recognised it had I come across it. I can now tell you that Cliff and I have identified most of the features published by Martin and those that I knew about that were not published. I know the name of the lake, where it is, and I've been there, and it's not in Canada, it's in England.
    You have to bear in mind that there were some fanatical carp anglers about, some of whom followed Martin by car to see where he was going. He told me he had to take detours and check to see if he was being followed. He received death threats and had to change his phone number to ex- directory.
    I spoke to Yvonne when Cliff and I first started all this after someone 'suggested' I should. I asked her if she had any of the photos and was told that she did not. She also told me that she was not aware of all the accusations and fabricated stories as Martin had shielded her from most of it.
    She has never spoken publicly about this matter and does not intend to do so.

  8. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Hatton View Post
    ........how vitally important it was to retain accurate records of the UK's most notable carp; this was, after all, their raison detre....
    Sounds a reasonable continuing project to me and I can understand their reticence to accept what is a volume of comment, hearsay and belief. At best that amounts to circumstantial evidence from a united coordinated point of view.

    However, maybe you and the group of friends who are vehemently defending Martin should consider formally presenting The Carp Society with your understanding of the events supported by individual legally notarised statements.

    Maybe The Carp Society would, or would not, respond, but the veracity of your position would be considerably enhanced with that type of supporting evidence.

    Or you could continue to thrash one side of the story on this forum for evermore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Maidment View Post
    Or you could continue to thrash one side of the story on this forum for evermore!
    To people that have no say, no influence and, possibly, little but a passing interest.

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    Crying out to be made into a film. Whether as a Coen brothers type neo-noir, or along the lines of The Detectorists, I'm not sure.

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