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    Default Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    What's your preference, and why?

    I am told that the overslide rod joint eliminates any dead spot. But of all the rods I have ever owned (and that's quite a lot) have all been spigot joint, but I don't recall any that exhibited a dead spot, despite the assurance of some anglers that they do.

    Anyone with any views on this?

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    I don't really have a view as such.....I just prefer the neatness of a spigot joint. Like you I've never noticed a flat spot and even if there was one who cares ? Overfit joints I've always thought might [just might] prove weaker but that's just me being me. I've no evidence they are and no joint has ever failed on me on any rod...ever.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    When I first started buying top end kit, most of the best rods had spigot joints. For that reason, and little more, I still have a bit of a thing for spigot joints. However, a lot of different rods have seen their way into the tackle den since then. I'm well aware that it matters little on a well designed and well made rod. Despite this, I still maintain that thing for spigots.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    I don't really have a preference but as far as i'm aware the overfit joint is the better of the two.....don't ask me why, it's just what i've been told from a few rod enthusiasts.
    If you think about it they're all over fit really as the bottom section/spigot goes into the next one up on both versions (except for quivertips). Although I think some rods have overfit quivers...Tri-cast for example.
    If I see a rod and I like it I wouldn't be put off it if it had either spigot or overfit joints...I like both.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    Spigots for me every time (except poles, where deflection curve is very much less important than stiffness, weight and butt diameter). I have yet to see a rod with overfit joints that didn't exhibit a slight change in curve at the junction when under load, and some cheaper ones can be really strange, with more deflection below the ferrule than above.

    Overfits make no sense to me, mechanically or in production, save one factor I'll come to later. Having the upper section fit over the lower one means you have two different diameters of tube to marry up, so you have to increase the stiffness/diameter ratio of the lower section to compensate. This means using different grades of carbon, or more layers, for each section - a much more complex process. Conversely a spigot jointed rod can be made as a one piece blank, then cut in half (or thirds) and spigots inserted. A proper spigot should fit together so there's a 1/4" gap between the adjacent parts of the blank, to allow for wear. When the gap closes and the joint becomes loose, you can cut off 1/4" of the female and put a new reinforcing whipping on, so the rod's lifespan is increased.

    The only reason I can see why manufacturers use overfits (with all the extra work involved at the blank rolling stage) is that the tolerance need not be so precise. It matters not a jot whether one section slides 2" down the corresponding male, and another only 1.75". You can mass-produce a rod safe in the knowledge that any one of the top sections will fit any of the butt sections, meaning there's no need to keep tips and butts paired up through the finishing stages, and it's easy to supply a replacement joint.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloucesteroldspot View Post
    Spigots for me every time ....
    Good post G.O.S - might have given a few some food for thought!

    How about the effects of ferrules on rod action and construction?

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    Another thing I can add, which is a plus point for spigots, is that they don't show wear like an overslide joint can. There are few things more irritating to me than seeing scratches in a gloss finish on a male part of an overslide joint.
    The saving grace here is that you can soon spot the liars amongst second hand sellers. "Well looked after" and "minimal use" don't ring very true when pictures show joints that are scratched to hell. Spigots with no wear gap are another good indicator of use.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    Spigot joints should be better on paper as you have two diameters that are a close match to each other.
    Over fit joints should be cheaper to make as spigots' have to be fitted which takes extra time to produce.
    Regarding longevity over fits should be more maintenance free.
    As a worn joint just pushed further into the male section taking up any wear.
    Spigots when they bottom out are finished.
    If I was pushed I would probably go for spigots just think they look neat.

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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    I'm going to be different here and from the way I see it , if you take a two piece 12’ spigotted rod it’s made from a single blank, cut in half, then the spigot is fitted to the butt section. This glued section would then surely create a flat spot.

    An overslide rod is designed from two blanks with the joint part of the design leaving much less of a flat spot. I seem to remember reading an article by Steve Harrison some time ago as to why he, and other top builders use overslides..
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    Default Re: Spigot or overslide rod joints.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam vimes View Post
    Another thing I can add, which is a plus point for spigots, is that they don't show wear like an overslide joint can. There are few things more irritating to me than seeing scratches in a gloss finish on a male part of an overslide joint.
    The saving grace here is that you can soon spot the liars amongst second hand sellers. "Well looked after" and "minimal use" don't ring very true when pictures show joints that are scratched to hell. Spigots with no wear gap are another good indicator of use.

    LOL, you read my mind Chris! Scratches on the end of the over fit joints look awful. I always keep both the male and female sections clean as possible to eliminate the problem with scratches.

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