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    I hesitated before placing this in the public arena, thinking about the reaction when John Bailey made slightly similar comments but with far more inflammatory language. But then I thought that we shouldn’t hide from it, after all, the survey is there for all to see anyway, and we need to debate such issues whether we like them or not.

    So here it is, and it is awaiting your comments.

    Like I’ve said many times before, when debating such things as barbless hooks, livebaiting, keepnets and the image we portray, the bottom line is that we hook fish and it’s that, and only that really, that we need to stand up for and defend.

    The side issues are pretty meaningless if we can’t defend the very thing that we all, every single angler on this planet, does – and that’s hook fish.

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    Rob Brownfield Guest


    I am always VERY dubious of any claim made in the states. There fish and the way of fishing is VERY different to ours. Lure fishing is the predominant method there...usually with lures that have large singles or several trebles attached. There Bass, which everyone seems to fish for is not too hardy. There methods of landing fish are not too great either. I have seen Pike and Muskie lifted from the water by the eye sockets...and then released!!

    I know this is a general, sweeping statement...but I think the 10% figure is too.

    Take a look at Carp in the many times has Basil, Mary, the big fish in Waveny/Wintons etc been caught? Look at the Redmire fish... Rasberry has been caught over a 40 year period!!

    I cant honestly believe these figures for uk fish...we would have 20 pound carp floating about in every carp water in britain!

    Commercial fisheries...the bagging waters...would be littered with dead fish if this were so..100 pound of bream would leave 10 pouns dead???..nahhh

    Any biologists out there care to comment? I know some fish will die...but 10%?

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    Kevan Farmer Guest


    ..and how many anglers here use a stringer to hold their catch? In the US these are everyday items of fishing tackle - whether used for released fish or for the pot. A keepnet is far better.

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    If those kinds of numbers were true we wouldn't have a fish left to fish for by now given the amount of fish caught in Britain per week. Totally ridiculous. That would mean 10% of fish caught every week don't survive. Week on week, this would make fishing pretty difficult by the end of a season! Repeat captures more than disprove this theory. As Rob says, it's probably more to do with the Yank anglers and their methods.

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    I agree with the comments above. Ten per cent is a ridiculously high figure, even for the States where fish welfare is not the same issue as here in the UK.

    Wherever this survey has been dug up from I just can't see it reflecting the true picture. They're assuming they don't see the bodies of all those dead fish because of predators mopping them up, but we have lots of waters where there are no predators, and where the fish are caught by the thousand week in and week out, and still not even a 1% mortality rate.

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    Davy North Guest


    It's a safe bet PETA and their likes will jump on the 10% figure. So once again it is up to us the anglers to put the record straight when ever the need arises.

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    ray bewick Guest


    How about 1 to 2%?, in a match scenario.

    Some do suffer, from poor size mix, i.e big fish injuring smaller fishin the net, smaller fish later dye off due to cumulative effect of crush / infection.

    Personally, I choose not to use a keepnet when Coarse fishing. I target larger fish so that individul fish may be released immediately, perhaps after a well organised photo.

    If I do fish for smaller species say quality Roach I still release immediately into a selected area & seem to suffer no effect to catch rate

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    The Seeker of Truth & Justice Guest


    He didnt say that though, he said (whoever it was) that just catching fish was what killed them, and that letting them go after sometimes they keeled over later.

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    Kevan Farmer Guest


    Cyril. I could see it happening again mainly in the states where the angler is following IGFA line class rules. Fishing with as low a breaking strain line as possible means that the fish is sometimes played out to its extreme. As I say, this could happen with IGFA rules. A lot of us know about barbel if they have had a prolonged fight. I, as far as I know, have never released a barbel to its death. Well before the angling press were advising people to hold onto the barbel - goes for other fish too - head facing into the current, I was already doing this; over 20 years ago. Can you imagine a fish caught on say 2lb line - no, not deliberately - it would take some time and so would need watching before it was released.

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    ray bewick Guest


    Having now read the excerpts it does seem incredible mathmatically, especially for carp puddles and modern carp fishing. Nah , bloke must have another agenda or as Kevan Farmer implies conditions / rules etc here in the UK are very different. Wonder what the considered American Anglers response is?.

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